Considering I barely see them on anniversary servers (particularly alliance side), and knowing they end up becoming monsters in TBC, when do you think we’ll start to see the massive influx of Lock rerollers? They end up neck and neck with hunters in top TBC PvE dps, and they hard-countered mages so well in TBC PvP that Ghostcrawler actually said that was a balance mistake to avoid in the future, so surely people will soon begin to level them en masse?
I think last classic made people realise that rogue mage is king, both in 2s/3s. Warlocks don’t stand a chance vs a well-played RM unless you’re chanimal, and even then.
You also have the rise in popularity of double rogue in 2s and 3s.
I see locks everywhere lol, every AV i go into has atleast 5+
Rogues are really good control wise in tbc but they don’t really shine until they have the correct pve pieces.
WLS is one of the most absurd broken comps
RMP is really good but its about control so the rogue HAS TO BE very good
the issue with tbc is that raids coming down from 40m to 25m means your raid will no longer bring ~15warr so most of those warriors will be forced to quit or re-roll.
but in general the bandwagon people who love to play the meta class will start their warlock once tbc is announced
Trust me, an average RMP will throttle an average WLS (I played RMP to R1 this classic gone by, also played a druid to R1). Gear does help, but it’s not completely necessary. You can also just gem very offensively if you can’t get pve gear (not ideal).
WLS needs to outplay. Average RMP can just gas pedal lock, even warrior (if horde), or all in an average druid.
WLS is much much stronger on horde side I will say.
I played RMP vs other RMPS.
The rogue has to be good. I don’t know what “average” is to you but 90% of the rogues pvping right now couldn’t play RMP over 1600.
WLS is easier to play than RMP… RMP is 10000% setups for go’s. WLS is going to be nasty because it IS easier to play and learn. People always go FOTM
A really good RMP is hard to beat. Lets wait and see how it shakes out.
I also played vs RMP, I would say each player has an equal amount of impact on the game, but there was also a lot of RNG in mirrors, not to mention horde vs ally, and if someone was using a stealth set for the opener, or stun resistance gem.
WLS has a much higher skill floor for sure, but RMP has a much higher skill ceiling.
The learning for WLS caps out very early, RMP has a lot more degrees of freedom when it comes to outplay.
Average to me is middle of the pack. 1600 is probably below average.
I think you’ll find the bulk of those rogues pvping now would go on to play double rogue and cringy stuff like that.
They’re already monsters in vanilla PvP. Probably the best PvP class in vanilla and they scale quite well with gear. The consistent burst damage of conflagrate spec is unmatched. 4.5k soulfire crits and that’s before your immolate/conflagrate combo. All 3 of those land within the same global and can do over 7k damage combined. If your target somehow survived you just shadowburn for another 1-2k more damage.
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