[Anniversary] Please unban GDKP and go after gold buyers instead (Part 1)

[Smorcasbord-dreamscythe]

I want GDKPs back, but if we’re not bringing them back I think we need a system that rewards players for doing raids even if they don’t get loot. That’s really at the core of the issue here. incentivize players to return to raids, help others, even if they don’t directly need loot.

That’s what GDKPs did, people showed up to raids & STAYED because they got rewarded, people leave raids or just don’t do them if they get nothing out of them.

No one even talks about the fact that there was NEVER a loot system directly promoted by Blizzard. Sure we have dice, but they let us figure out how WE wanted to do it. We figured it out, it was GDKPs, then they slapped us in the face and said no while providing no alternative. Crazy.

We also need more loot on the loot tables in 40 mans, 1 extra drop would do wonders. Or, how about make a system where if you complete MC you get a loot token that can be earned towards getting a piece of loot from the raid (similar to protocol in WOTLK/Cata)? You do 30+ MCs you can purchase that OSG/choker that’s eluded you for months.

Not a perfect idea but something needs to change tbh.

[Ripsod-penance-au]

@Smorcasbord-dreamscythe

the guy who comments completely irrelevant things and thinks they mean something. Nothing you said has anything to do with my argument.

@Smorcasbord-dreamscythe

So if I spend 3 hours clearing to rag cuz I need the loot off Rag and nothing else but because 10 people leave a long the way we can’t finish, I have no right to get upset? Makes sense. Only wasted 3 hours of my life. It’s happened several time and I’m done playing alts period because of it.

@Ripsod-penance-au

Says the guy upset about not being paid rmt in a video game

I’ll connect the dots for you

@Smorcasbord-dreamscythe

I want GDKPs back, but if we’re not bringing them back I think we need a system that rewards players for doing raids even if they don’t get loot. That’s really at the core of the issue here. incentivize players to return to raids, help others, even if they don’t directly need loot.

Guilds are more than happy to run past raids. The reward is you help your fellow guild mates!

[Charlimunger-area-52]

Keep banning swipers, keep banning bots, bring back gdkp.

[Myrkr-undermine]

gdkp encouraged swiping to fund gdkp. you guys cannot seriously be this dumb. well actually…

[Mediumburger-dreamscythe]

the reward is playing with other people if you dont like that maybe play a different game. get blizzard to make personal loot drop in classic but all the other gdkpers dont want that they just want rmt gdkps back

[Intrude-whitemane]

Id argue the opposite.

Gold sellers have benefitted massively from the ban, since now players that werent willing to farm have no other way of getting gold besides swipping.

Interesting how there are 3-4 troll accounts in every GDKP thread barking the same proven wrong anti-gdkp talking points.

[Allouttagum-hyjal]

Should probably have led with that.

Lack of incentives, scarce loot, mostly anonymous layered megaservers, and needing 40 people all contribute to suboptimal endgame. These mostly get addressed in TBC/wrath (except for megaservers).

GDKP was a community-driven solution to these problems that had several adverse consequences. It created incentive and partially relieved the issue of scarce loot, while leading to long term consequences of creating demand for botted gold and driving inflation, as well as disincentivizing conventional guild structures. Guild structure is a more subjective “disadvantage” but I do think this game is at its best with a group of 10-20 likeminded friends running raids and heroic dungeons together.

[Zaalg-ashkandi]

@Intrude-whitemane

Id argue the opposite.

Gold sellers have benefitted massively from the ban

This is where you see the desperation. Coming up with this level of cope.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Allouttagum-hyjal

It created incentive and partially relieved the issue of scarce loot, while leading to long term consequences of creating demand for botted gold and driving inflation

Except we now have two versions of WoW with no GDKP yet botting and RMT running rampant so we can definitively say GDKP was not the problem.

[Allouttagum-hyjal]

@Intrude-whitemane

Gold sellers have benefitted massively from the ban, since now players that werent willing to farm have no other way of getting gold besides swipping.

This is incredibly wrong. Go look at anniversary gold prices. Demand is substantially weaker relative to supply compared to 2019.

That may not all be attributable to GDKP changes, as every release/economy is different, but saying gold sellers have benefited is incorrect.

[Ripsod-penance-au]

Yeah, mega server and the inflation in the real world should mean gold would be more expensive.

The fact the opposite has happened, just proves gdkps encouraged rmt and more demand for gold.

Anyone saying otherwise is just missing out on selling gold.

[Intrude-whitemane]

@Allouttagum-hyjal

Demand is substantially weaker relative to supply compared to 2019.

Maybe because less people are playing it this time around. . .

@Allouttagum-hyjal

but saying gold sellers have benefited is incorrect.

It is absolutely correct. Having less options for people to make gold directly benefits alternative sources (RMT)

[Mediumburger-dreamscythe]

you can make plenty of gold on wow without buying gold its pure lazyness that people buy gold in the first place. if you cant play this game without buying gold/rmt this game is not for you end of story

[Ripsod-penance-au]

@Intrude-whitemane

Maybe because less people are playing it this time around. . .

More people on a single server which every gold selling economy is based off. So it should be more expensive if demand was the same.

@Intrude-whitemane

It is absolutely correct. Having less options for people to make gold directly benefits alternative sources (RMT)

Having less options to spend gold means rmt is less in demand. Considering gdkps added in the biggest demand for gold, this correlates to gold prices.

[Intrude-whitemane]

@Mediumburger-dreamscythe

you think people have to buy gold

Never said this.

Lazy people are still buying tons of gold anyways.

@Mediumburger-dreamscythe

if you cant play this game without buying gold/rmt this game is not for you end of story

Agreed.
But being in favor of GDKP doesn’t mean they buy gold or are in favor of RMT. Its a terrible argument end of story.

[Mediumburger-dreamscythe]

@Intrude-whitemane

Lazy people are still buying tons of gold anyways.

and its easier to track

[Ripsod-penance-au]

He’s definitely not a swipers alt…

Just knows me without ever interacting with me

[Intrude-whitemane]

People didnt RMT inside GDKP’s

GDKP was used as an excuse for people (gold sellers) to send large amounts of gold through the mail. To say its easier to track is completely wrong.

[Zaalg-ashkandi]

Blizz literally said GDKPs were used to launder money and obfuscate the source of gold.

[Intrude-whitemane]

Blizz was obviously wrong.