Yet when someone yells fire people run. If people were as varied as you believe you’d see more reactions than just that and every character should be morally gray because everyone ever has been morally gray no one is purely good or evil.
. . . I actually like goodie two shoes Anduin, after all, SOMEONE needs to be a truly good person in this world of moral grey. (Wish I could be but blizzard wants me to be a murder hobo apparently)
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Yay! Murder hobos unite!
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Yes, people are complex. That’s why you saw him lose his temper and deck wrathion. That’s why you see uncertainty in Sylvanas. That’s why your assertion was wrong from the beginning.
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He punched someone who was responsible for arguably everything bad that’s happened since MoP that’s not morally questionable
Anduin is fine. there is always one person that will cling onto the light no matter what you do to them. but most people are dynamic and tend to fall somewhere in the middle with a breaking point if pushed to it.
Considering that in the latest cinematic his response to Sylvanas coming back is to tell her that her lectures have failed, that suggests he’s not really being tortured. It’s more so Sylvanas trying to convince him to join her side.
but this is Anduin we’re talking about and he’s always been a talker over a fighter. Especially in the last cinematic, he knows he’s getting to Sylvanas. His approach is working far better than threatening to cleave her in half would.
Granted WoW isn’t going to win any awards for its writing anytime soon but as others have said, it’s a bit refreshing to see a character who is legitimately lawful good be part the story. The only other character to really hit that alignment was Velen, and he barely gets to do anything. Even when we go to Argus, he gets eclipsed by the game’s writing drooling over Illidan.
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The issue I have is how they don’t really know how to write good aligned characters, so they just write them all in the same stereotypical way.
Can anyone tell me any differences between how Anduin, Malfurion, Baine, Thrall, Calia, Velen, Muradin and Magni act?
They’re all the same character.
Pre-MOP Jaina acted the same way, but she took a turn away from good when she went postal after Theramore… and became a decent character.
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The writers just took an episode of dudly do right and replaced dudly’s name with anduin and sylvanas is snidley whiplash… just below basement tier writing all around.
I wish we could just have the both of them slip on banana peels off screen and die… just to be rid of them in the same cartoony-unsatisfying way they have acted for 3 expansions now
The main problem I have with Anduin is less the character himself and more that he’s increasingly the center of the WoW universe and the end-all be-all solution to everything. This was bad enough in BfA - he was inexplicably Sylvanas’s entire focus point for the entire war (WE MUST RUIN THE LITTLE LION!!), and also apparently the only person who could redeem and reinvigorate both Saurfang and Thrall. Now, he’s somehow THE person that the jailer needs for his plans, and we absolutely have to come together to save him. No one else matters - only Anduin.
It’s incredibly boring from a Horde player perspective. Only the 20 year old totally-not-a-paladin can teach the grizzled orc general and the founder of the Horde about Honor. Only the 20yo not-a-paladin can get through to your old faction leader and save the universe. Don’t you just love him already? Only a terrible person would hate someone like that.
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On the counts of lawful good in the story, we’ve had that before and done much better than Anduin in the form of Tirion Fordring. One of the major problems with Anduin in the story is that he himself never pays a price for pursuing his own beliefs and virtues. Only the people around him pay, and they forgive him in time. Tirion, on the other hand, lost everything when he followed his principles to help Entrigg. He was kicked out of the Silver Hand, and reduced to living as a Pariah. He lost his wife along the way, and his son to the Scarlet Crusade as well. And yet he never abandoned his faith. Anduin, on the other hand, made quite a few mistakes in BfA (Siege of Lordaeron; not pressing the assault after BoD) that cost the Alliance dearly, but rather inexplicably no one holds any of this against him. Tyrande’s angry, but don’t worry - she’ll see the error of her ways and ask Anduin for forgiveness in due time (or die as a raid boss).
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I assume you have never seen families forgive someone who murdered there child.
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To be fair…I like fire…
Where can I read your fanfiction?
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I disagree. They all have their own distinct backgrounds and motivations and go through situations that test and define their characters. It’s easy, If you overlook the nuance of the characters and just focus on the actions to say, ‘oh, soandso acts too nice when they should be angry, they are too good and it’s unrealistic and a bad character.’
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This is the weirdest comparison, not only because that’s not always true, but because it has nothing to do with a Lawful Good character like Anduin having a conversation with Sylvanas while he’s imprisoned. What do you expect him to do, sit there and pout? That’s not his character.
People are varied and there are different reactions to someone yelling ‘fire’. Are you saying people aren’t different?
It’s a fantasy story, so the elements of such a story will likely have ‘pure good’ and ‘pure evil’ tropes. Warcraft has rarely had any of those tropes, which is fair and relateable.
But what I find boring is the idea that we should relate to ‘not always being good’ instead of the alternative. You’re making it sound like aspirations of being a good person and fighting for peace is dumb, and any characters that fit that description are dumb and shouldn’t be that way. As if we haven’t had enough of that in 99% of the entire game franchise.
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I feel like this is inaccurate, the guy lost his father in the most tragic way possible and doesn’t even have time to properly mourn before the problems are literally thrown in his face at his own father’s funeral. If anything it’s impressive that he’s held to his vow of peace from MoP after so much… for that matter Anduin has been suffering since MoP and being crushed to near death by a bell…
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What nuance do any of these characters have? When do any of these characters do anything based on their own motivations rather than whatever the plot requires?
I’m not arguing that these characters have differences on paper: they all have different ages, different experiences… whatnot… but none of them will ever do anything but react to the plot of the game because they’re all “Generic Good Guy #1”… and they’ll all react roughly the same way.
I just have no respect for the quality of Blizzard’s writing.
Golden can’t have her boy looking bad.
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Yup Anduin’s character is just bad. I get this is fantasy/fiction but putting near flawless characters like this makes the immersion into the lore just impossible to buy. The same is true for character tropes that just want to destroy the world because… reasons. Tyrande is one of the worst characters in this whole lore and Anduin just might top Tyrande being even worse.
Sylvanas previously was a very complicated character and it fit her well. It’s when people loved her the most. Now, she’s just feels like a typical villain. It’s like they made her part Denathrius and part Arthas Lich King yet also part Tyrande. It’s so bad.
Anduin is the bad generic trope of “one true noble king to unite the good guys against the bad.” This always is horrible in every fantasy show unless you make that character have severe flaws. If people read the books and learn deeper into the lore, they understand Aragorn is like that. But in the movies? Aragorn is “too good” and it’s just nauseating. It’s unrealistic. You can find so many people complaining about Mary Sue character tropes yet those same very people will obsess over these Anduin type characters. They just feel so unrealistic that even immersion to a FANTASY/FICTION story feels disconnected. Now I love Star Trek TNG but that’s what I felt too. Picard, Riker, Data, the main senior crew of Enterprise? They all felt too… detached. Unrelatable. I get they’re supposed to represent THE best of humanity so I gave that a pass. But this is why I loved DS9 more. The characters had severe flaws. They viewed the Federation as a perception thing like “It’s easy to pretend you’re a saint living in paradise with 0 problems but when you’re out in the frontier facing dangers/injustice/and remorse every day, deviating from that ethical/moral course is easier and sometimes necessary.”
People say Anduin is not as naive as he used to be but he’s still naive af. He’s still apologizing for “doing nothing” about Teldrasil right until he got imprisoned by Sylvanas and the Jailer.
A lot of this comes down to how they do writing in their games rather than a specific issue with good or bad aligned characters. Anything that isn’t part of the leveling questlines gets so little time that they can’t flesh anything out.
Most of the characters you listed have plenty of nuance to them. It’s just if you ask where we learned about it, the answer will frequently be “not in-game”.
and certainly not in any recent storylines if it did come from in-game.
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