Did you even read the rest of that comment? It was all examples.
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I mean it’s not like that loss cascaded into the horde tearing itself apart and ultimately issuing surrender with the Alliance at the gates of orgrimmar or anything.
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None of your post was examples about insufficient aid and comfort.
Your examples were, in order, “They didn’t send military aid while they were over extended on other fronts.”
“They freed a Horde hero, inciting a civil war within the Horde that ended the war.”
And “They signed an armistice that I’m pretending I know the details of even though they have not been made clear. Yes I know this is me repeating the same mistake I made before by attempting to write the story to support my fan theory.”
You’re trying to prove “they provided very little aid and comfort.”
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Remember when the alliance was winning on all fronts, yet some how you guys are saying they lost darkshore.
uh yea it’s really not like that.
Give me a source where they reclaimed darkshore then. Because ingame and lore wise, Darkshore and Ashenvale are horde territory. And in 8.2.5, the alliance army combined with the horde rebel army was still considered weaker than the sylvanas loyalists alone, so it doesn’t make sense that the alliance had the upper hand.
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They arent horde territory your assuming that for I dunno what cause the last status update that those zones had was like I said, the alliance was winning on all fronts.
sigh Ok. I’m wrong about everything, forget it.
Probably not everything. Nobody is wrong about everything.
You’re just wrong to claim that the Alliance provided very little aid and comfort to the Horde. There’s insufficient information to make that claim and I suspect you really want to be making a different argument anyway.
Based on what you brought up to support your claim, I think what you want to say is “Who cares how many people in Stormwind are offering to let a Night Elf crash on their couch? What the Night Elves need is their homes back, and their fallen avenged. I want to see the Alliance helping with THAT.”
I think your lore is out of date. As of the Darkshore warfront Darkshore was disputed. Given that the only forces fighting in Darkshore were Forsaken directly loyal to Sylvanas, at least based on the three commander options in the Darkshore battlfront, it’s actually more reasonable to conclude that the Horde withdrew completely from Darkshore.
Most likely, we’re looking at a return to Vanilla status quo. The Horde will probably re-establish their resource gathering in Eastern Ashenvale, but honestly lack the need or desire to spread further west at this point.
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I’m not sure if you can both complain about being saved by humans and live in their cities, while also complaining that they never help.
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Yeah, it is.
You can distrust the Horde’s surrender. You can complain that the surrender didn’t give you whatever and everything you wanted. These are arguments that can be made. I hold they’re not good arguments, but they can still be made.
But it was a Horde surrender… A surrender that was forced in large part due to Varok Saurfang’s rebellion. which was due to the burning of Teldrassil. Which was the loss you’re talking about.
Uh well the last thing we’ve seen is that Ashenvale was fully horde and Darkshore was 50/50 horde/night elves. With the war ending, it’s likely that the Night Elves stopped fighting because the war is obviously over.
No it wasn’t. Stop spreading false facts.
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It’d be great if the Alliance was ever written as though they were interested in winning this ‘faction war.’
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or atleast staying alive in this faction war.
Anduin did more for the horde than for his own people.
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By the way, you should absolutely complain about this and demand clarification. We do deserve, at the very least, a developer statement that establishes in canon what the end result was in these places.
However, you can’t assume the last thing you see is canon. Taken to its extreme large sections of the in game world are 10 years out of date and what we always see is the game world at the moment when it’s most interesting for an adventurer, not when it’s current.
I don’t know where the lines are any more than you do, but I do know we can’t just take the last thing we see and assume it’s correct. We need to acknowledge the limits of the information provided and sometimes make an optimistic assumption. You assume that the Horde is still in these places because it’s the last thing you see. I assume that, since the Horde signed an armistice and Darkshore was fought exclusively by Sylvanas loyalists, that that front folded up shortly after she left, with the people fighting it either disappearing to become trash mobs in the inevitable Sylvanas raid, or slinking back home to prove their loyalty to the new War Council.
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The issue I have with her is that the last lines she says was, isnt even the last lines at all, the last lines is that the alliance was winning, yet for some reason her and others, think the alliance lost, makes no sense to me.
Its a bit of both.
Tyrande needs to dial back the blood lust, and Anduim needs to grow up and realize not everyone cares about his ideals. Especially when they are the sacrificial lamb.
But that won’t happen. Tyrande is going to get raid bossed or wrynsplaimed because blizzard can’t write a complex narrative to save their lives.
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Yeah. it really was.
The war is over. the war is over because the Horde said, “Okay, we’re going to stop fighting.”
That is what a surrender is.
Now again, you could complain that they didn’t surrender enough. Okay. So the problem here is that the Alliance was tapped out. What you saw in front of Orgrimmar was everything the Alliance had left, militarily. The Alliance had no way to enforce whatever complete and total subjugation you’re hoping for.
Imagine that attempt at negotiation.
Alliance, standing in the middle of Durotar, with like 400 dudes: “We demand that you cede Azshara, Stonetalon, and the Northern barrens to the Kal’Dorei, fully retract all Horde members from Hillsbrad and Arathi, and deliver all orcish children to be reared by human parents immediately!”
Horde, also standing in the middle of Durotar, with like 349 dudes in front of their massive fortress city: “You’re a cute kid Anduin, anyone ever tell you that?”
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It dies bug me how random army levrls are you know first alliance losing then hirde is being decmated now the alliance has a few guys left and the horde has a massive surplus. Really saying anyone is tapped out or on their last legs means nothing
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Would it make you feel better if we took half our spare guys and turned them into raid fodder next expansion?
I would rather the writters actully be consistent over the amount of dudes instead of running by rule of cool.
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