Half of the current member states (not counting allied races) were not even in the Alliance when Arthas was a thing. How exactly can they be blamed for Arthas?
Nope, that’s not how it works. The scourge can’t just make every dead person a ghost, destroying the bodies has a definite effect.
The goal was to prevent a physical swarm of scourge zombies swarming the lands, which he did succeed at. Stratholme would have been a far greater disaster if it hadn’t been contained to just Stratholme. (Of course, ultimately this didn’t matte because Arthas later falls to the influence of the Lich King through Frostmourne and destroys Lordaeron anyway, but for the time the plan was effective.)
It was a bit of a build up on all the given matters that incurred (Second & Third War) - But nonetheless, the other matters regarding the Alliance are referenced in quests and a dialog speech in Silvermoon where they’re explaining why they joined the Horde.
Well with that notion the same goes for the Horde as well, as more than half of the races were not present for many (Albeit not all) actions of the Horde.
A flawed attempt at turning that argument back on that poster, considering most races were in fact present for some of the largest Horde sins like the Burning of Teldrassil, or the bombing of Theramore
Turning that argument back only works for the Orc “drinking the demon blood and invading azeroth” part, but the Horde has been naughty many a time since then too and that involved all the core races and even allied races for the latest ones
It’s also flawed to begin with because the Alliance literally had nothing to do with Arthas becoming what he was, that’s purely on him and those that made the effort to try and guide him down the path of corruption. The Alliance didn’t push him there, the Alliance has no responsibility. He wasn’t even part of the current Alliance. Literally just Arthas becoming a traitor through taking up a cursed sword, that’s it. It’s quite different from the Orcs as a whole deciding to drink demon blood.
It’s such a nonsensical statement from Anduin to the point i’d love to hear a Dev try and explain what the heck he meant with it, because you may as well say the Alliance is to blame for common joe 1 or 2 getting tricked into being corrupted by the old gods as well, as if somehow they could have stopped this or had a hand in it.
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That’s the wording used at that moment but Anduin mentions Arthas and Daelin not just as something regrettable, but something to be tallied on the Alliance.
It seems I may be misremembering Sylvanas affiliation with the Alliance at the time of her first death, but all the same she was created by Arthas.
The whole thing is a bit ridiculous but I’m trying to decide if according to our king’s line of thinking - and therefore Blizzard’s - Sylvanas is a failing of the Alliance as she’s an extension, a continuation of Arthas besmirching our honor; of course, by our I mean you Human-potential-wankers, not us proud, smoky Elves.
The modern Alliance is a political continuation of the Alliance of Lordaeron. It’s existence is akin to the Byzantine Empire following the destruction of the Western Roman Empire. That is to say it’s institutions and treaties never became defunct and continue to the modern day. Only some of its member states have changed (the aforementioned Lordaeron, Quel’thalas) which was well within the constraints of the Alliance political entity (the nations in the Alliance are not obligated to remain part of it in any way).
Anduin is wrong because Arthas was not part of the Alliance when he went postal. Arthas was Scourge when he committed 96% of his attrocities, and likewise Sylvanas was Horde when she committed 100% of hers.
He never claimed responsability. He used him as an example that Alliance member did evil things too and that the Horde is not the only one with shady things in their past
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Whatever role the Alliance may have played in the creation of the Banshee Queen (basically zero), I think the fact that she became the Horde war chief makes her primarily the Horde’s responsibility. This thread is silly.
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Damn it, Carm. I was this close to getting Alliance playable High Elves.
Foiled again!
It wasn’t a flawed attempt, and honestly in terms from the start of the Horde’s history to now, I wouldn’t consider the Burning of Teldrassil or bombing of Theramore the largest of the sins. If you read the lore, you’ll know that the Orcs slaughtered the Draenie by the numbers, decimated their cities - Went to their most holy sites to absorb & corrupt for power, so much so that one actually exploded (Auchindoun). They siezed large subsequent amounts of their people to be fuel for the fel, they collected their bones and paved the ‘Path of Glory’ from it, which led to the Dark Portal.
The War of Thorns throughout Ashenvale & Darkshore could be laid out to the Horde races (Save the Allied races) but the Burning wasn’t a formed decision; but painted out primarily by Sylvanas.
The Explosion of Theramore, practically all the Horde races were p!ssed off at Garrosh for; except for a mere few loyalists - This is shown in books, quest and many other source material.
That’s a load of baloney as even today Jaina still regrets not doing more. They merely turned a blind eye til he full fledged became the Lich King and became much more of a dire threat.
Lordaeron was part of the Alliance though the relationships were falling a part thanks to Lady Onyxia; and if you’re going to portray “The Alliance didn’t push him there, the Alliance has no responsibility” well, I guess we can say “The Horde didn’t TELL Garrosh to bomb Theramore, The Horde didn’t push Sylvanas to burn the tree. The Horde has no responsibility.”
As for -
Arthas actively sought out to find the Sword, fully knowing it was cursed and believed it wouldn’t matter because he believed its power to be necessary. The Orcs at least knew there was power but did not know of the extensiveness towards curse it bore.
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