Its just going to cause a run away logic whatboutism.
Horde has Blood Elves -> Blood Elves are Highborne -> Azshara is Highborne -> Azshara is Horde and the demon invasion is Horde’s fault.
Alliance has Draenei and they are really eredar and here we go again. It just won’t end.
I liked the story about how Sargeras told Medivh that he had to open the Dark Portal because he was convinced that the Horde would save the universe… I still hold out hope that the Horde actually will save the universe one day.
I think that would be a good moment of faction pride for the Horde.
Terenas was a wise king but he didn’t listen to Medivh’s warning about the plauge, I hope that comes back up because that was iconic.
It’s me btw. When people are asked who their favorite Warcraft character is their answer is usually a righteous Paladin like Uther or Tirion, a powerful edgelord like Sylvanas or Arthas, or a cosmic mage like Jaina or Medivh, I’m the guy whose answer is Terenas, the regular guy with no special powers beyond his own wits and political abilities yet still managed to found arguably the most powerful geopolitical entity on Azeroth.
Everyone remembers him most for getting pwned on his throne by his angsty son but the truth is that his actions continue to shape not just Azeroth, but the entire cosmos, and those actions weren’t those of some kind of superhero anime god, but simple charisma and intelligence.
Meh we do that like every 2 years.
Saving the world that is.
yes but the Horde needs to save it alone.
because no one expects them to.
Medivh didn’t even mention the plague. He just said “doom is at hand, everyone pick up your things and move to the Azerothian equivalent of Atlantis”
If Terenas had listened to him and done what he said, that wouldn’t have made him a good king. It would have made him a bad king who lucked out.
Maybe, but his people would be alive.
Hindsight is 20/20. There was no way for Terenas to predict the plauge, Kelthuzad or Arthas’s betrayal. maybe if Medivh didn’t come in as a soothsayer lunatic rambling about the end of the world maybe he would have been taken seriously.
Literally the only one who believed Medivh at first was Thrall and that’s because he’s a Shaman and Medivh did the whole dream-vision thing.
Jaina was willing to consider what he had to say but didn’t really believe him either. When she left for Kalimdor it was at Antonidas’ insistence (having realized by this point that Medivh was correct) during the Scourge’s invasion of Dalaran, not because she wanted to.
Way to completely miss the point. Both men and women do toxic S**T but when a women for example files a false rape claim for petty revenge, or abuses the court system to financially ruin a man through divorce for simple greed we don’t call it 'toxic feminity" we call her a bad person.
That isn’t something exclusive to women, many men are written that way to. Toxic masculinity is framed as a ‘male only problem’.
Well yeah a lot of self-hating and weak simp like beta males exist but that’s their problem.
“Jerks” and “bullies” have existed in media since the dawn of time but it’s always been framed as, “This person is an a^&-hole” not “This person is part of a broken gender which produces people like him and we have to use government to shine a light on them”
When this forum starts talking real life politics I always have to mentally prepare myself because it’ll either be the most unintentionally hilarious garbage I’ve ever read or the most depressing proof of how easily manipulated people are. I’ve been on a number of forums and social media sites and lemme say, the posters here are as ill equipped to talk about politics as a monkey is to work as a surgeon.
Pretty sure the point is we call out people’s bad behaviors, regardless of what people call them. Also the point is these women are generally not following social norms. A toxic guy is usually a product of his own environment.
Because the traits associated with it(like say hyper aggressiveness/the expection one is one not suppose to cry etc. are traits associated with men and generally are exhibited by men(that is not to say some women, especially those who tolerate/encourage ir are not part of it).
The difference is we are(hopefully) in a society that is actually trying to be better then our past and realize these traits are generally bad for society.
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We do, we just didn’t attribute it to being the fault of an entire gender like we do now.
The term ‘toxic masculinity’ fully implies that a toxic guy is the product of his sex.
Answer me this, when a woman does something bad that is generally associated with female behaviour, do we call it ‘toxic femininity’? Ofcourse not because that is just sexist garbage.
Lol in the wild their definitely is, and it’s more exaggerated when applied to Humans but when you have men who base their whole personality and political views on what appeases women I think the term beta definitely applies.
We pretty much always have? We just never attributed it to the fault of an entire gender
well what word would you use to describe the patheticness some males display like for example donating hundreds of dollars so a female streamer can say their name? Simp just rolls off the tongue.
Go to therapy, read more books, and stop developing your social mores and world-view from Extremely Online Meme Culture that are violently ahistorical and ridiculous otherwise.
Sorry, but this cra-p is more common then you think and putting your fingers in your ears and going la-la-la-la-la won’t make it go away.
Get help dude. You just used “beta male” unironically in an argument and doubled down on the use of simp. This isn’t normal.
Why are my ‘buzzwords’ any more delusional then complete made up rubbish like ‘toxic masculinity’, you people are so deluded and brainwashed I swear.
If you unironically think toxic masculinity exists you are a failure of a person.
From what I undertand, toxic masculinity isn’t about acting like one’s gender at all. It’s feeling pressured and conditioned to act like how pop culture advertises what “real men” are like, with the worry that you won’t be seen as good enough if you don’t conform. Kinda like the male version of how women can get hyper-concerned about current standards of beauty because that’s how advertising shapes their self-worth.
The whole “Alpha/Beta male” mythology is definitely overstated in animal behaviour. The researcher who actually coined the term "Alpha Male’ in regards to wolf pack structure and socialisation said it wasn’t helpful for understanding animal social structure years later and ended up dropping it.
Idk, I tend to believe the works of established sociologists and theorists over people who say “lol it doesn’t exist u dumb”
The specific observation on the wolf thing: the kind of dominance relations he thought he observed on captive wolves basically don’t exist in the wild.
Literally everything you just said is wrong and horrible.