I think it unlikely that the Arathi Emperor is a Lothar. In fact I’m almost certain he’s a Sunstrider and that he’s going to try to retake Silvermoon.
How bout a mix of both? Remember, Arathi aren’t humans but a mix of helf and human.
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No they aren’t, but some have a much stronger presence of Elf heritage as evidenced by how some use the Elf model.
But you’re probably right. Given that the current Emperor is Thoradin IV, there likely has to be some sort of connection there to the original Thoradin’s line. But given that he’s only Thoradin 4, the likelihood of Elf heritage is much stronger. Of course this is all speculation. The previous emperors could have had different names, or the name Thoradin could be assumed without familial connections.
But I’m certain that the Emperor being at least part Sunstrider will become a topic when the Arathi set its sights in Silvermoon.
I don’t think the Emperor is a Lothar, but I think there’s a fair chance that he descends from Thoradin’s bloodline which would make him related through blood to the Lothars or that the imperial bloodline intermarried with the ducal Lothars throughout the millennia of the Empire’s existence. Sunstrider blood could well be in that mix as well.
He’s the 9th who has potentially ruled for 342 years which would imply a much higher degree of elven blood than your average Arathi.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Church_of_the_Sacred_Flame_Tome
I think it fairly likely that the Arathi Empire no longer exists.
The arathi emperor is the one who sent the expedition to hallowfall due to a vision he had about the final battle between light and shadow. Of course he exists
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And we have no idea how long ago that was. And wasn’t the Arathi tribes a precursor to Stromgarde?
The humans and high elves that formed the arathi empire left after the troll wars when they all got the same vision. And the expedition has only been in hallowfall for about 15 years
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The problem is I don’t see a fit for this in the known history of the East Kingdoms. We hae the Arathi tribes, the kingdom of Arathor which evolved into Stromgarde which then broke apart into the successor states of Lordaeron, Gilneas, Alteraac, and the Kirin Tor. There’s no Arathi Empire there, nor room for one.
Serious contact withe High Elves doesn’t happen until the latter find themselves on the losing end of the Troll Wars.
It’s what happened though. Don’t know what else to tell you.
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That would just be bad story writing on blizzards part. Introducing an enigmatic empire and just killing it off screen as well. But then again, these are the writers that over explained how the after life works to the point that it felt mundane
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The Arathi empire was created from the lost expedition of the first human kingdom. They aren’t part of the 7 human kingdoms.
They literally were just a bunch of humans and elves that Thoridan sent off 3000 years ago, got lost, assumed dead but it turned out they survived on the other side of the planet.
When the first king of human king, Thoridan, aligned himself with the high elves, said both party sent out the first expedition east. They got lost, created their own kingdom called the Arathi empire.
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There was, you even mention it.
There has never been a Kingdom of Arathor. It was the Empire of Arathor, also known as the Arathorian Empire and the Arathi Empire.
The beginning of the Troll Wars is what caused Thoradin to begin his campaign to unite the human tribes into the Arathi Empire. The Hallowfall Expedition, and the rest of the wider empire in whatever continent they dwell in beyond the Storming Seas, are the descendants of an expedition that left the empire before it fell in the mainland some 1200 years ago. But it continued beyond the seas.
Edit: It’s actually a very old piece of the lore at this point, with the Empire of Arathor / Arathorian Empire / Arathi Empire first being mentioned 20 years ago in 2004.
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I think you don’t understand the story. The Arathi Empire exists on a far Eastern continent and consists of Humans from old Arathor and Elves from Silvermoon. This is literally said by the first NPC you come across. They were sent on an expedition by their Emperor 15 years ago. This is a thing said multiple times.
… Did you skip all the dialogue and cut scenes? This is as bad as the time someone tried to tell me Arthas was never a prince and he was only about evil and domination and he wasn’t originally motivated by saving his people.
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They have a whole dialogue in the main quest chain where he’s like “Wait… So that makes you a noble?” And she’s all “Wait… So that makes you a king?” So I think “noble” counts as “anything”. She’s “anything”.
I do think they have actual chemistry. Which is more than can be said for 95% of Warcraft relationships.
The problem I have is fitting it with the history of the East continent. Especially given the insular nature of the High Elves, any kind of joint operation with Humans so far from home.
The important thing that most miss from the Arthas novel is that his personality a Prince, Paladin, and Death Knight is shaped from elements that were present all along a wilful desire to have things his own way which would override disicipline. His undead mount, Invincible had been killed because of the stubbornes of the young prince. Something that his Paladin training never extinguished.
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The problem I have is fitting it with the history of the East continent. Especially given the insular nature of the High Elves, any kind of joint operation with Humans so far from home.
It really isn’t hard to grasp at all. You know how humans became magi? When Thoradin allied with the high elves. That is when Thoradin, with now the holy light as their state religion (thanks to their alliance with King Loerdon), that is where the high elves started to learn about the holy light.
This period of time, almost 2k years before the humans split up to 7 kingdoms, is when King Thoridan sent a bunch of his human people, and the high elves to find out what is east of them.
That is it. That’s the history. They fit perfectly. Really don’t understand what is confusing about this.
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My point being that that person was also unaware of Arthas’ actual backstory. They had no idea what had occurred before WOTLK and tried to shout down other people that actually knew what they were talking about.
But I don’t get how you can’t parse that the High Elves and the Humans would work together? Given that they literally did during the Troll Wars.
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Not entirely by choice… it took the prospect of total defeat for the elves to consider working with any other species, especially Humans.
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