And this is why I can't wait for classic

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I queued into a timewalking dungeon, the queue was fairly quick. Okay, we got in and the tank is afk, so the other DPS decide to pull trash while they’re gone. Must be a premade I guess.

Okay, from then on, the tank literally goes afk for the next 5 packs. Every time we finish killing something, he stands still for about 2-3 minutes. So it takes us 10 minutes to get to the first boss of shadowmoon burials.

Okay… then… so I just ask in /say “is this tank gonna afk every pull”

and I instantly got booted.

proof: https:// imgur. com/a/UTRcwQl

No communication. Nobody says anything the entire time, nobody replies to my question and I’m just booted.

I’ve played vanilla and I’ve played the game on private servers in 2019, when it took time to form groups and people talked to each other. I’m absolutely fcking FINE with waiting for a tank to get their sht together irl, as long as they say something. Good god, I get it. You have a dog vomiting on you, or your child is crying. Life is hard, I get it.

But nope, this is the retail experience I guess. 0 communication.

I wasn’t abusive, I didn’t pull ahead of the tank. I sat there and waited until my patience wore out and I merely ASKED what was going on.

: ) By the way, the group was comprised of 3 MGers and 2 people from WrA. So it was lovely to see the RP community behave this way.

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Not sure if leaving the names in the imgur makes this a call out thread or not. Might want to see if it is.

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Good point I guess, I’ll censor them.

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You’re fooling yourself if you think the community will be any different on classic. Most of the people going over there are those very same people. You see them on the forums all time.

As for what was done, yeah it happens. It sucks, especially since it was people from here, but still.

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but you’re wrong, you don’t/can’t kick someone from a dungeon in vanilla because it takes even more time and effort to find a replacement. At least not instantly.

It’s so easy now, and that’s the double edged sword of convenience.

Take note too, that you will get known for kicking people. And people will shame you for doing it repeatedly and/or for no good reason. There’s consequences. I doubt anybody will even care about the premade group that kicked me, even if I start name dropping, because LFG is a thing and nobody will ever see these people ever again.

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Actually, I’m not wrong. I never said “you will still get kicked” what I said was the very same people and attitudes will be there.

It’s going to be interesting to see who stays there, with the popularity of certain streamers I’m actually pleased followers are going to roll over there.

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Or you could avoid streamer servers just like everybody else and let them play and have fun with each other? lol

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Crying over spoiled milk here won’t keep you from doing it in classic.

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I think you fail to see the point here, John.

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In my experience, back in vanilla we spent a lot more time in Ironforge (that was the only city with an auction house) spamming a channel called looking for group, trying to get enough people for Upper Blackrock Spire. If you had a key to get in you would immediately get an invite, even if you played a hunter (which was regarded as an overly common class back then). It was much more about who you knew, and what people knew about you. A good player wore purple raid gear. Average players wore blue tier 0. Life was simple! The community was much more a thing.

I’m not sure whether Classic will replicate those days or not. See, it’s not only the game that has changed, it’s the players.

People seem a lot more impatient and less respectful these days. 30 years of internet has changed society.

I actually think that discord groups will probably function as a LFG tool. We didn’t have it back then. I don’t think people will stop using it in Classic though.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

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I’ve played with other people on classic where you’re forced to interact with people. Acting like you’re superior to the fact that in an actual mmorpg you’re forced to socialize, instead of being bombed out of a group at the click of one button, doesn’t make you right lmao

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Oh gosh. I remember even back in Wrath groups were still mildly social due to the effort it took to make one. In Catacylsm and MoP, groups were quieter but they were less toxic than they are now.

For some reason WoD changed things. I couldn’t tell you why exactly WoD was when LFG got really bad, but starting in WoD I started noticing a sharp rise in DPS pulling for the tank (Me) and healers DPSing.

It’s never stopped me from doing my job or caused a wipe, which might be why they do it, but it makes the entire LFG experience very stressful and unpleasant. I used to enjoy running dungeons, but these days I avoid them unless I have an important quest for one.

Imagine you’re a big stronk tank keeping your teammates safe and watching over them to make sure mobs don’t bully them. You see that somehow, your healer has managed to use all of their mana in BFA and has like none left after a big pull probably caused by someone else pulling for you. You decide to give them a moment.

…And then your DPS, SanicSpeed1998, immediately pulls for you without hesitation. We didn’t die. I’m not sure how. I guess the game actually is a lot easier than it used to be.

I’ll probably enjoy the slower pace of Classic’s dungeons. Looking forward to it!

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Played in TBC and Wotlk pre-LFG. This has been a thing even before it was in.
For some reason people get this idea in their head that all these problems will go away in classic, but I highly doubt they will.

Just calling it how I see it. Didn’t know that was a flag for being superior, I guess you’ll do so in kind, right?

Also I play on an RP server by choice. If I were so anti-social would you think I’d still be here?

What I see here is someone got kicked for no reason other than they could be. Its happened to all of us. And again it won’t change much in classic the whole “Oh well you have to talk to players! That’ll change it!”. Na, it won’t because people will still find a reason to do it.

The game has changed alot from the classic that people have known and most people will follow the path of least resistance and follow the meta. Kicking out anyone who goes against the grain.

Can you find a guild of buddies who are laided back and let you do you? Sure and I hope everyone can.

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I agree. One of the largest problems is that the game is without a greater sense of community. It doesn’t matter at all at the moment.

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It happens. The majority voted you out. Deal with it.
As for Classic? As someone who has no interest in Classic, I can’t tell you if it’ll be better for you or not, but I can tell you that those playing Classic will be the same people that play/have played retail. There will still be people you don’t like, people who don’t like you and totally unresponsive people.

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LFD diminishing server communities has been an issue since the LFD tool launched in Wrath. The first time I saw it abused to kick someone was in Wrath too. This isn’t a new problem.

I can’t imagine going back to game I thought was mediocre relative to it’s peers in 2004 is the solution. FFXI, L2, and SWG were all imo better games.

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There are significantly more players now than there ever were at this game’s launch. Not being able to find people is not going to be a problem unless you’ve joined the deadest realm available.

I fully expect player behavior in classic to be no different than it is now. Just because you can’t kick someone via vote doesn’t mean you can’t disband your party and reform without the person you don’t like- or someone can’t just leave the group whenever they feel like it without a word.

Maybe I just played a different game than you, but where I played, some serious jerks ruled the roost, and I saw people chased off of servers just because someone didn’t like them. I’m not willing to believe that putting everyone together without a way to escape is suddenly going to turn us all into better people- in fact the downer in me is pretty convinced it’ll have the opposite effect.

We’ve been trained by this game’s systems to be jerks to one another and another version of the same game won’t be changing that. Sorry to be that guy that breaks the rose tinted glasses. :frowning:

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So many people looking back at Vanilla with unrealistic rose-tinted glasses are gonna be disappointed af when they get there and realize idiots, trolls, racist, jerks, casuals, and elitish-snobs will all be on the Vanilla servers.

It’s not going to be some blissful nirvana.
You will NEVER be able to capture the community sentiments of a new/new-ish game. When something is new/new-ish people work together, are eager to learn together, and so on. But the longer the game is around, the more jaded, toxic, and snobish the people get.
Vanilla servers will not change this, it’ll only bring back the grind for those few who enjoy the grind, and give others a 5-min journey down memory lane that’s likely to be ruined by trolls, idiots, and elitist.

But yeah, here’s to hoping Classic is some magic pill that blossoms into a Nirvana that makes everyone work together and love each and be awesome!

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What’s wrong with casuals? I’m struggling to see how they appear in the pool of toxicity.

But then, casuals didn’t exist in vanilla, did they?

:thinking: :rofl: :joy:

And about those elitists…

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I personally don’t care if ppl are casual. I’m sure a lot of players would call me semi-casual. But vanilla players love to call anyone who doesn’t love the grind of “the old days” or grinding in general, “casual” as if it’s some type of insult…and say stuff like everything added to the game to make things easier is “done for casuals” and “casuals are ruining the game”…etc etc.

I don’t see being “casual” as an insult, and I don’t see being a “no-lifer” as wrong either, to each their own, but you’ve have got to know that tons of other people do find it wrong or bad to be a “casual”…especially veterans of the game, in my experience.

Nevertheless, my point was that looking back with rose-tinted glasses at Vanilla isn’t realistic, and the overwhelming majority of people who are now claiming it’s going to be the second-coming of christ, are likely going to quit Vanilla after a month or so…realizing it’s not some utopia that’s going to fix all the community problems we have nowadays.

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