Yes, as I said. Most of the night elves’ conflicts are against threats that would affect the whole world if the night elves fail. So failure is not possible, so these “parents” are obligated to come if they want to continue to live themselves. And even then, the night elves don’t step to the sidelines and watch, but continue to be on the direct front and fight side by side with these “parent figures”. Or on their behalf.
I said once in another thread: It is a miracle that night elves are still alive and a blessing for Azeroth.
Without them, the world would have perished many times.
Funny you bring up Hyjal in Cata…because the Wild Gods were resurrected around that time and they helped out big time. Along with the Earthen Ring and Cenarion Circle. They were hardly doing it alone and had a lot of heavy hitters helping out.
Honestly, with how the Emerald Dream operates there is a wee part of me that is sort of surprised we never saw the rise of a more extremist sect of an Emerald Dream cult. The Dream is after all a vision of Azeroth without all those dirty, pesky “Sentient Races” from what I understand. Its sort of shocking to me that there was never a fringe push to … make that fantasy a tangible reality.
You never tire of making this argument over and over again, with the intention of talking down the night elves and saying that the lion’s share was taken care of by the Wild Gods, which is simply not true. The Wild Gods were certainly a help, but the wild gods alone would have failed, thats the reason they need night elves, on the other hand, the night elves alone wouldn´t be enough either, so they need the wild gods, thats the reason its exist a real friendship between wild gods of Hyjal and the Night elves.
I’m just going to point out again that none of my arguments against why the WoT was a smidge ridiculous involved Wild Gods - since the topic of conversation is veering to the Firelands for some reason.
I’ll also point out that the Night Elves were not alone in that, nor were they alone in Hyjal, nor were they alone in Legion, nor were they alone during the War of the Ancients, or the war of the Shifting Sands. I do not feel that these massive, world-threatening events that pulled in everyone are a good base to judge from - in their favor or to their detriment.
Zair…seriously dude, are you trying to piss me off now? I said the Kaldorei had help and it’s true. Stop acting like they did it alone. No one claimed the wild gods could do it alone but you
Welcome to the story forums Kya. Tangents are the norm, for better or worse. Its hard to stop em, and sometimes we can go days before we get back to the original content of the OP. Just roll with it and enjoy the ride. Its a weird one, and you never know where its going to go.
Does it really count if those powers never really come into play against mortal forces? The Kaldorei-aligned wild gods seem to have no issue with the Horde trashing Ashenvale and Darkshore, but Pa’ku and Gonk are out slaying Alliance invaders on Zuldazar despite arguably filling the same role.
Someone else said it better but basically pointed out that Zandalari Trolls are basically everything night elves should have been in WoW, but better.
Savage in war, but noble in bearing. Once held an ancient world-spanning empire. Aligned to ancient wild gods. Ruled by a quasi-theocracy. Victims of their own hubris, but emerging stronger from the willingness to adapt, change, and make unlikely allies, etc.
This isn’t a “Horde have it better than Alliance” dig so much as that they’re clearly capable of writing these roles, so why aren’t the night elves checking these boxes? Is it because they were introduced from the get-go instead of added as a playable race further into the game like Zandalari were?
Actually, you can’t win against a nation that has so much influence in the Emerald Dream, no matter which one it would be. In a war to the death, they could ruin your country without you being able to do anything about it if you didn’t know about the dream. You could destroy their land, unbalance it, dry it up. Transforming, the dream is a terrible power that is too often overlooked, what is actually behind it
It is a place where terraforming is possible. blizz don´t use the dream in such a way, but it would be possible. Here I know only the one example of Malfurion, when he with active dream connection and in grief and rage began to bring a rain, which would have flooded the whole country and would have given birth to a new sea. Everyone had to flee, including Archimonde. The rain was so strong that it literally beat you into the ground.
Thats the real power of the dream, its allow a powerfull druid to terraform the surface of Azeroth, or the titanforged before.
they have helped, i argued why they get helped and buffs and blessings and are this “Rhich Kids”(Was a weird Comparison).
Sorry if it feels that I just don’t like the Wild God conversation but, I don’t. My arguments don’t require or assume their involvement, and again I think that these massive “all-in” events like Hyjal are good yardsticks to judge the race from - for good or for ill.
This notion I was taking something away from the Kaldorei is asinine dude and you said it to purposely aggravate me because you damned well knew they had help from a lot of major heavy hitters during Cata Hyjal questing
The Cenarion Circle did - but it’s hard to argue that the Cenarion Circle is the playable race given who else it includes. That said, the CC did draw some of the Night Elves kit away, notably their druids, from what was going on in Ashenvale.
The Cataclysm manual establishes that this fact was what caused Garrosh to see a “Golden Opportunity” in Ashenvale - which is another way of pointing out - that sword cuts both ways.
The Horde had developed forest combat to an art employing it against the Humans and Dwarves of the East Kingdoms. Night Elves don’t have a lock on that form of war.
Also, the Night Elves had had a lot less recent practice. And these weren’t the veterans of Hyjal. They had all gone down to Silithus on Tyrande’s orders. (And don’t even TRY to put this on Anduin, she had done those before even the leaders had come together to discuss Silithus. Anduin merely gave it his rubber stamp.)
Yet despite all of those negatives, and the surprise attacks on Ashenvale, the Night Elves got their act together and put the Horde army to a virtual halt until Saurfang executed his pincer maneuver.
Weird tangent for all you NE fans, I would gladly trade you full control over Winterspring for us getting full control over Tanaris. The NEs find out that the Steamwheedle were funding the Horde war effort under the table, and as a neutral group officially … they are not protected by the armistice. The NEs destroy Everloook, and turn that zone into the amazing Kaldorei Winter Wonderland it always should have been.
The fallout of that though, is that with the remaining Steamwheedle’s economic opportunities drying up with the Alliance due to their own actions … we can get a lovely little corporate takeover story for Gazlowe to strut his stuff. We can get Mida some overseeing the development of a Grimrail from BHarbor to Gadgetzan (with a full on Trussell Bridge over Thousand Needles). Finally, we can let Rokhan stretch his leadership legs by recruiting the Farraki (who are suffering the aftermath of the Mueh’zala betrayal).
I mean … fine? But they did canonically help us murder your people by funding the Horde War effort under the table during the 4th War. So you do you. Not sure what the NEs even need to trade for to make that relationship worthwhile tho? They are pretty self-sufficient.
EDIT: Also, aren’t like all of the Everlook quests revolving slaughtering Wintersabers, Owlkin, Chimera, and Furbolgs? I am honestly shocked they are still allowed to hang out there.
Your bitterness is my ambrosia. Each post you make has less sensibility and coherence that you purport, and more of you raving maniacally towards anyone holding a different opinion asserting things that don’t inherently exist. Once challenged you lambast them for being unreasonable amongst other things.
Perhaps you should reconsider your stance and evaluate your mental health, that you should take a step back from your wanton assault on yourself as much as others and enjoy a prolonged break from these forums?
I’m well aware that the Steamwheedle Cartel does things on both sides of the fence. Regarding what they’d need to trade though.
In Warcraft 3, we have two examples of potentially friendly relations with goblins. The first turns up when we have Steamwheedle Goblins, with Shredders for sale, in Ashenvale forest. These are past the border marker, and certainly past the grove that Grom got shot up in. It’s potential, but I argue that they may have entered more peacefully than Grom did.
Example 2 is in the Wardens’ barrow dens - where you can find goblin land mines. Tyrande can even take these and mine some of the barrow deeps defenders. That tells me that Wardens did have some interest in said land mines - and that may even explain how example 1 was possible. Again, these are elements that I think could be expanded upon.
