twitter represents just like the WOW-Forum only a part of the WOW-Community, but it also represents
Which are people that actually care more about the story than the typical gamer who saw tree burn and went “lol we pwned the Alliance, we did it boys lets go!”. Which obviously goes against the framing of it as really awful in all those Horde-centric cinematics.
No, I think that reactions on Twitter are probably more representative of how the general audience feels than reactions from a place like this. We’re lore nerds here, we hype up details that don’t matter to most people - but I think we should be focused more on the big picture, and on what general audiences see.
If you say so…
To be fair the Kaldorei got sucker punched by the full Horde coalition. I’m pretty sure most professional prize fighters would lose if five guys jumped them with tire irons. Them being able to repel that sort of blitzkrieg would be pretty asinine.
The only part where I felt the Kaldorei came off as weirdly incompetent was the Burning itself. That tree was apparently extraordinarily flammable and it’s more than a little weird the Kaldorei had zero fire escape plan in place. Especially when the Forsaken had an evacuation protocol in place. Little weird when the living dead have better health and safety regulations.
Everything about that was silly though. So the Cenarions are able to defend Hyjal from the ELEMENTAL PLANE OF FIRE, literal sentient fire burning as hot and spreading as fast as it can, but they’re powerless against catapults and pitch? Okay.
Lordaeron was also weird. Last time the Alliance was trying to push through Silverpine. Presumably because attempting an amphibious landing through Blight fog would be ill advised. But then they just land there and, far as I can tell, ravage unopposed all the way up to the city gates.
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Twitter is your metric …
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Ok.
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I’m sorry you can’t cope with the suggestion that hundreds of Horde fans who shelled out hundreds of dollars to attend Blizzcon, cheering for the BoT might be more representative than 3 people on the forums.
I’m sorry you can’t grasp those fans don’t speak for everyone
They did - but a lot of those details are obscured in the text, in some cases literally in novellas that I want to say 5% of the population read - and they contained the lion’s share of the Night Elves’ good moments in that war.
Again, I know this gets regarded as somewhat unfair on these boards, but I’m laser focused on the takeaways that I feel general audiences were left with - because the disconnect between what Blizzard puts onscreen and what they merely say is enormous. I do put more stock in places like Twitter, or GD than I do here when I go to judge how the average person, or the average player sees this story. Again, how it is told matters.
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Here you should be so fair though, before the Cinemas came with Saurfang, there was a whole movement there pulling their shoulders off and mogging away to show their rejection of the WOT
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Nice strawman. Now point out where I said they represent everyone. I’ll save you the time. You can’t because I never did. More representative means just that. It doesn’t mean everyone. But it’s more than the lore forums.
Part of the problem is how Blizzard loves their Red vs Blue marketing and heavily encourages it, especially for BFA. At the same time they also frame the conflict as this wretched thing that needs to stop. They want us to love hating the other faction yet write plots that promote unity instead.
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Your argument is.
If you think this somehow strengthens your assumptions, you do you.
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As it stands, the more i see posts like this, the more i believe the only common ground we can find is that blizzard screwed all of us and their lore forever.
About the sylvanas issue the only way i see it viable is if they go the uther way and we see her good side in the maw and save it so blizzard can have their cake and eat it.
Mind you i would like if we never see sylvanas again however her slipping and falling into burning stigia isnt happening.
Personally, for the night elves there is no fixing, not without compromising the horde, no amount of night elven colonies appearing out of nowhere, no rebuilding teldrassil, no moving to hyjal can reaffirm we just dont exist to be victims, its as easy as that how can i cheer for my race if its always framed as losing from where im sitting? teldrassil was burned then cue sad orc, how can i trust them with my feelings if they didnt adress this loss properly on the war expansion? then im told tyrande got her revenge on a ridiculous scenario that framed her as being innefective AFTER a forbidden ritual.
The horde is forever tainted with the ghost of the genocide and the alliance are just enablers for their story with pathetic and innefective leaders.
i agree.
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It’s not a problem if they’re using it to present a balanced conflict with the eye of getting people to participate in PVP - but it wasn’t. They tried to frame the conflict in a narrative style, specifically in a good versus evil sort of light. They wanted their inciting action, their complication, and payoff. They wanted their characters to do character things.
… and that is just not compatible with a competitive multiplayer experience of this kind. League of Legends doesn’t do that. Call of Duty doesn’t do that. Competitive games in general don’t do that - and there’s a reason for that: it kills motivation to participate in the competitive environment.
You would think so, but I’m still not convinced that if the Lightbound show back up Blizz wont justify their largely successful, actually prolonged, deliberate, and systematic cultural genocide in some BS way.
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Agreed.
I quit retail 5 weeks into BfA. The only reason I didn’t leave sooner was because my spouse wanted me to keep playing.
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How about an explanation what makes the WoT “juicy,” that NE fans want to have replicated for themselves? “Juicy” implies a certain amount of enjoyableness, to my ear, but maybe I’m the one reading that in.
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Personally, for the night elves there is no fixing, not without compromising the horde, no amount of night elven colonies appearing out of nowhere, no rebuilding teldrassil, no moving to hyjal can reaffirm we just dont exist to be victims, its as easy as that how can i cheer for my race if its always framed as losing from where im sitting? teldrassil was burned then cue sad orc, how can i trust them with my feelings if they didnt adress this loss properly on the war expansion? then im told tyrande got her revenge on a ridiculous scenario that framed her as being innefective AFTER a forbidden ritual.
I do want to reply to this specifically.
No, we are not going to get a complete makeup for the last ten years of awful content, and we’re certainly not going to get it in one fell swoop. There’s been too much damage for that, I agree.
However, I also don’t think we should let the perfect be the enemy of the good, or that we should stop looking for solutions to fix the issue to the best extent that we reasonably can.
They failed, they purposefully marketed bfa as an expansion that you could feel proud of your colors then immediatly turn one faction into monsters and the others as pathetic, pusillanimous pushovers.