An idea to make Keeper of the Grove hero talents more on theme (balance druid side)

Classes Druid
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Keeper of the Grove really feels like a half hero talent, it uses force of nature for most of the tree but it just dont feel good, while the other half is a bunch of either boring passive stuff or things that try to be good at pvp but even fail.
This is my take on how to change/fix making Keeper of the grove push us towards a half pet style of gameplay with treants and faerie dragons:

1)Remove force of nature from the spec tree: this really is the biggest change of all, we really dont need force of nature to be in the spec tree when we will never pick it over warrior of elune unless we go Keeper of Grove and its because we are forced to do it not because we actually like it.

2)Dream surge (opener talent): stays the same but now also makes you learn force of nature.

3)Expansiveness (mid 1): replaced with Dreams aid: every 3 uses of dream burst charges summons a faerie dragon to aid you for 10s.

4)Cenarius Might (mid 2): stays the same

5)Power of the dream (mid 3 choice): remove this

6)Control of the dream (mid 3 choice): changed to: every use of a major ability (convoke,alignment,force of nature and warrior of elune gives a stack of dream burst and every use if a stack of dream burst lower the cd of major abilities by 2s.

7)treants of the moon (left 1):replaced with Grove Caretakers: treants now apply a dot thats not moonfire (so its another dot we get for our synergies) and makes faerie dragons cast regrowth every 4s targeting lowest hp allies.

8)Power of nature (left 2 choice): changed to treants no longer taunt and now cast wrath at their targets, faerie dragons last 3s longer

  1. Durability of nature (left 2 choice): changed to treants have 50% more hp and deal 200% more melee dmg, faerie dragons deal 20% more dmg

  2. Bounteous Bloom (left 3 choice):combined with early spring

11)Early spring (left 3 choice): replaced with Power of the dream: casting wrath in a solar eclipse has a chance to summon a faerie dragon to aid you for 10s, wrath no longer triggers lunar eclipse

12)protective growth (right 1): same plus using barkskin also casts regrowth on urself, plus makes allows rejuvenation to be casted while in boomie form

13)grove inspiration (right 2 choice): stays same

14)potent enchantments (right 2 choice): same

15)Blooming infusion:add that the regrowth heals for 50% more

  1. harmony of the grove (capstone):add every time you enter an eclipse summon a treant for 10s
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I like this, especially the capstone. The fact that the fae dragons are also being given a use is a cherry on top. Though for the durability of nature I would expect the Fae dragons to instead cast some defensive.

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I REALLY dont want them to make balance a pet spec. I dont want to need to micro manage pets, follow pet\attack pet etc i just dont want it at all.

I just dont like using treants its not fun, the only reason why i liked them in MOP because you got 3 casts of it at a time and each time you summoned a treant it would root your primary target instantly and you didnt need to micromanage them.

Dragonflight treants are just fire and forget. Its boring they do nothing they are not fun. Moonkin right now on beta is prob the most boring its been in a while.Eclipse is boring, the rotation is boring, the maintenance dots are boring. This hero tree is just a fire and forget astral generator its not interesting.

Balance druid needs something interesting. The rotation needs a proc, we lost a fun passive and nothing replaced it. Rotation is boring, sunfire\moonfire should just be merged, nothing really exciting happens ever playing balance compared to most other casters.

Balance druid is fun for me because : Convoke is fun, Big Crits with big Starsurges\fullmoons is fun. Its called a boomkin for a reason and they need to bring back boomkin. Back in legion i could drop full moons and one shot stuff, back in MOP instant proc starsurges would do more damage than players life pools on crits.

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it wont be that king of pet style, maybe i wasnt clear but they would just be summons like now and i know balance needs a complete rework really but baby steps lol maybe we close to it

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Thats not the goal of KoTG anyways, treants are/could be really cool and fit the nature theme really well, but it would never be a pet class in the sense of warlock/unholy DK/hunter

But they could make them so much better, thats the whole point especially without making them “pets”, they are summons and should remain as such.

Force of nature is an iconic ability going all the way back to WC3 by the actual keeper of the grove hero character.

Thats the kind of thing that should be an elunes chosen hero spec. Astral stuff is cool for sure, but doesn’t fit the KotG fantasy.

KotG is missing the nature magic elements that it deserves, like visually updated strong treants that interact with rotations, more nature magic like swarms, dps roots/vines, more interesting mushrooms, stronger faerie dragons etc

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I would uninstall if they made balance a pet spec or if the best dps spec was to spec into pets. That is how much i hate pets in wow.

They can make treants better without making them persistent micromanaging pet. Even then, treants have never been interesting on balance, sure they are in Warcraft 3, doesnt mean it works in world of warcraft/is exciting in wow. They have always been a boring fire and forget cooldown that normally just gets feared by the first priest that sees them.

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Think less micromanaging pets and more dk gargoyle kind of thing.

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to be frank I always thought of druid as a class very in touch with the denizens of nature, so I had and still have high hopes for keeper of the grove to fulfill a treant summoning fantasy.

Resto druid is really good at doing that but frankly for Balance I would just change force of nature to be a copy paste of Resto’s treant ability but more offense oriented.

And for the hero talent itself, at the bare minimum, PLEASE rework that final capstone to revolve around summoning an ancient or some sort of “grand influx of the emerald dream” kind of deal. Make it buff Convoke the Spirits or whatnot to make it a fun button, and maybe make convoke the spirits summon a horde of treants