Techspot forums are notorious for fan boys. Never listen to advise from someone who only pushes one brand (especially when that brand is in their PCs) yet goes scortched earth on the competition.
you mean like the 40 or 50% of channels who are so pro-Nvidia that they channel border should be painted green?
Or are we just gonna kind of forget about how pernicious the Nvidia partner program was?
Thatâs the nice thing about getting reviews from so many professional sources, it helps you the consumer get a clear picture of something. As for techspot, their forums have some knowledgeable posters but for the most part of full of fan boys. Their reviews are very good for the most part. Personally, I find the reviews on hardware enthusiast sites better then gaming sites as are their forums. You tend not to have a bunch of gamers that go from novice to expert in one or two builds pushing their âbrandsâ as the best and only choice.
This is part of the reason that I keep coming back to the car analogy. If it gets you where you need to go and youâre happy with it, then Iâm happy for you. Is Mercedes objectively better than BMW or does it come down to preference? Maybe you prefer Honda or Hyundai - godspeed to you.
Enthusiast feedback might be entertaining, and for some of us geeks, the benchmarks are interesting - but at the end of the day, at least for me, it comes down to two things: 1) What do I want/prefer to spend my money on (subjective)? and 2) My use-case cost/benefit analysis (objective).
If there wasnât external influences, I would agree⌠However, with the increasing amount of influences from the very brands that people are benchmarking/reviewing⌠it becomes an issue. All of them want to be in the forefront for the precious dollar. It matters not what the consumer needs, or even wants sometimes⌠It is how many units can a company move. Which is fair, they are in the business of making money.
Personally, I am of the opinion that if they want people to buy their products⌠They should make good products, not pay for top reviews or favor with reviewers.
Sometimes they sabotage themselves, though.
For example Intel seems to have gone to great lengths to make their notebooks look good, and fudged numbers thereby damaging their company image.
But they do still make very strong gaming CPUs that AMD still canât really touch, but these types of tactics just keep tarnishing their reputation.
As a consumer, I understand and agree with the sentiment, but as a business person my reaction is a bit different. Like it or not, all of these things are part of how companies (in all industries) market and brand themselves now - I personally pay zero attention to these things as a consumer. I donât watch youtube, I donât use social media except to keep an eye on what my companyâs marketing people are doing, but these companies would be foolish to not leverage them since competitors are doing the same.
Thatâs one of the reasons I agree with this:
If Iâm interested in pre-purchase performance, I look at data from several non-entertainment sources and throw away the outliers.
The solution isnât the corporations changing their behavior because itâs moral or right - thatâs not going to happen. Maybe the âmom and popâ shops, but certainly not the corps with shareholders to answer to. The only viable solution would be a more educated consumer - but Iâm skeptical of that happening as well.
While I agree with your sentiment, especially here in the US, we would need a fundamental paradigm shift in how our society functions for this to happen. It may not be much, but the best we can do is to help the people we can help.
A good rule of thumb is: Never believe the marketing - marketing is designed to ultimately sell you something, not to help you or tell you the truth.
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It isnât about moral or right. It is about giving customers what they actual pay for. As the digital age continues to expand and access to the core of digital technologies is better understood⌠Those companies are geting away with less and less fluff. They wouldnât have had as much fluff to lose if they had focused on making quality products and then build the market with that.
Sort of. This is kind of subjective - for it to be that simple the exchange would have to be perceived the same on both sides.
Even back when economics was bartering a hunk of meat for stone tools it all came down to the relative or perceived value on each side of the exchange. Now it seems to be more a matter of âwhat is the consumer willing to payâ vs âhow much is the company willing to spend to produce and marketâ. Itâs all about where those two things meet.
Here, I think we agree. Iâm all for a more educated consumer. The problem is, many/most consumers donât educate themselves - thatâs why the marketing works.
lmao im just dieing from this after seeing gamer nexus video on the new intel tiger lake cpus for laptops. All I could think of was âI bet intel makes the 4800Uâ
GN also is not going to be shilling AMD - they are using Intel systems to bench the new GPUs because of the data.
I like Hardware Unboxed, but they definitely are AMD biased.
Thereâs nothing wrong with watching any of these for the entertainment value, and the information/data is not necessarily âbadâ.
For people less sophisticated than you I would advise them to make sure they are checking multiple sources and ignoring the âoutlierâ data and to remember anyone whose livelihood depends on the number of clicks is going to take steps to maximize the clicks they receive.
Itâs bad because they chose the 3950x as their test bed for GPUs, before they even had the new GPUs or to ensure this CPU wouldnât be a bottleneck.
Weâve seen leaks that even at 1440p these cards can get bottlenecked by an i9-10900k, so in the spirit of objective analysis they already have tainted the data.
They should have done the tests on both CPUs with the GPUs in hand - THEN decided which one would be the least limited and decide which CPU to use moving forward.
But, they chose it based on their viewers not on objective data.
Gamers Nexus is doing it differently - using both platforms first.
Buying AMD for gaming is like buying a V6 mustang over a v8 with plans to race it.
Clock speeds are an issue but itâs not their main problem. Zen3 could be 5.0 OC and it still wouldnât beat Intel. They will still have core latency issues until they ditch their horrible Infinity fabric design. Its great for work stations but sucks for gaming.
Both Gamernexus and Hardwarenumbers overclocked one to 5.0 under nitrogen and it still couldnât come close to intels FPS. It is what it is at the moment.
I hope their redesign aka Zen4 steals the gaming crown.
Eh, iâd say itâs more like an Ecoboost vs the Coyote V8.
Ecoboost can be tuned pretty freakin fast, if not as quick as the V8.
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You have a point. Basically the only way to really overcome there latency issue problem is to buy really expensive fast low timing Ram. 3733mhz CL 15 on a 5.0 capeable Zen3 would make it exactly the same as the Intel counterpart. At that point though you have spent the difference in cost of the processors on RAM. With Intel you also donât have to tune the Ram at all you just plug it in enable XMP and call it a day.
I think most people that buy AMD nowadays are not doing it for Pure gaming the pure Gamers buy Intel. Their main focus is workstation with gaming on a side in which case AMD makes all the sense in the world because it destroys Intel in that field
Yeah, but much like people with displays and graphics cards, it doesnât matter that much if the V8 can do higher top speed or slightly faster 1/4 mi or 0-60; weâre all driving on the streets anyway.
So in a lot of ways it still makes sense to get the ecoboost without taking away from making sense on getting the V8.
Only thing that makes me nervous for AMD buyers was hearing that Gamernexus and Jayâs two cents found out turn on the new graphics cards 3000s AMD was heavily CPU bottlenecked compared to Intel
A lot of AMD boys echochamber off one another and they will flock to Hardware Unboxed, who, thankfully for them, are using a Ryzen testbench.
so they can just ignore the other results from other people
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Yep.
Iâm waiting to see what Zen 4 has to offer before considering switching to team red. It would be really cool if they stole the gaming ground from Intel sadly AMD just canât compare for Pure gaming at the moment. But thatâs okay some people donât always want to have the top of the line stuff.
Especially if the person whose main focus is workstation and not gaming. The sad truth is if you want the absolute best performance and gaming you were pretty much forced to buy Intel at this point. The most they can hope for within 3 days to be on par with them.
Any thought of zen3 stealing the gaming Crown is just pure delusional thinking. They need a redesign for that to happen. Zen4 may become the brightest light in gaming though.
My wish is for both companies to be even and no one to have an edge over the other. That is the absolute best thing for consumers because that brings prices down