Have the Amani trolls officially joined the Horde?
I know that an ambassador from the Zandalari has been sighted outside of the Horde camp near troll ruins. Was he successful in inviting the Amani trolls to join the Horde properly?
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In all honesty, I kind of assume that with the Zandalari joining the Horde, that all other troll tribes that we know about have joined too. My reasoning is that, besides Zandalari and Darkspear, all the other troll tribes are pretty much on the verge of extinction. With the Zandalari tribe (The largest, oldest, and strongest) joining the Horde and the Darkspear remaining part of the Horde after all this time, I figure the other tribes would see this and follow suite, throwing in their lot with the Horde for hope of a better future.
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No. Neither have the Gurubashi or the Farraki. Not canonically. I would say that the customization options we are seeing right now only reflect individuals following the example of the Zandalari, but its unlikely that any of these troll Empires have made that transition.
Of these, I would say that the Amani are probably the toughest nut to crack due to the Horde’s relation with the BEs. Though, Forest Trolls are diverse so not all of them may be of like mind. I would say the Farraki would be the easiest to bring in conceptually; but we have no idea how they’re going to take Mueh’zala’s fate. Depending on what they do with the information about him and Bwon, it could either harden or soften their stance on joining the Faction.
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What Ambassador?
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He’s just outside of Grom’gol. Near the ruins with the ogres. When you click on him he is Zandalari. Or he sounds like one. He’s also upright.
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Not a word and that by itself is a big plot to follow as the Horde made some bad blood with the Amani(killing their two chieftains) but with the Raventusk and Zandalaris being allies with the Horde now could be the start of a new diplomatic approach.
Honestly first time hearing this, where exactly is this?
Only the Drakkari were said to be near extinct but even that I doubt it as they were a big empire. Now speaking of the Farraki, Gurubashi, Amani, Shatterspear, etc, most are doing fine and Chronicles says the Amani assault in both BC and Cataclysm was mostly cutting off the army’s head aka their two chieftains, so numbers on them looks good compared to many races in the latest years.
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Almost certainly not.
It’s pretty clear that the authority exerted by the Zandalari over their “subjects” is largely symbolic and spiritual, rather than political. They have very little ability to actually make the other tribes do anything, as we’ve seen time and time again in various troll instances.
Zul was the only Zandalari that they ever seemed interested in listening to, but that was because he promised them dominion over the planet. He offered material gain and bought their loyalty with it.
So, the Zandalari cannot bring the rest of the tribes into the Horde by their own authority. The most they could do is try to persuade them.
How exactly would they do that?
The Amani are single-issue voters. They only real care about one thing, politically. Reclaiming their land.
Land held, presently, by a member of the Horde. Who certainly aren’t giving it back.
The Amani cannot join the Horde. They cannot simply “put aside” the conflict that is literally the only thing their entire society cares about. And the Zandalari certainly can’t make them.
(And before someone brings it up, no, they can’t join the Alliance either, because the Alliance has High and Void Elves. They therefore cannot promise to destroy Quel’Thalas, which would be the thing that would bring the Amani in.)
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Well, they would probably back the Alliance if they were to push into Quel’Thalas.
Wouldn’t be the first time two forces joined together to capture a territory for conflicting interests.
It makes me wonder what their role would be if the Alliance invades Quel’Thalas. Would they do what they did when the Scourge came, just hole up to see how the wind blows and attack whatever’s left? Do they despise the Horde and blood elves enough to pull a Grimtotem and help the Alliance attack their most hated enemies? Could the Zandalari suppress them, ensure they stay neutral, or outright demand they fight on Quel’Thalas’ behalf? Or would they just frenzy and try to kill everyone while the battles are going on?
I feel like the first or last one is most on brand.
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The Amani are Arrogant and Brutal but I think even they know they don’t have the numbers anymore to face off against two warring nations at the same time.
I think they’ll end up pulling a Sylvanas, backing the Alliance in taking Quel’Thalas but will back stab them the first moment arises.
That was during Cataclysm when the Zandalari were doing other things, not even members of the Horde themselves yet, and had nothing to do with the Amani at all. The Gurubashi Tribes live in STV, not the Forest Trolls.
Otherwise, no. No other tribes beyond the Shatterspear, Revantusk, Darkspear, and Zandalari are part of the Horde, only specific individuals.
I think they’re somehow even less likely to do that. High Elves and Void Elves would be leading the charge along Alleria Windrunner, who they would know and despise. If not hard pressed into getting along with the Sin’dorei by the Zandalari they would likely just use the invasion as an attempt to kill both parties on the spot.
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True and considering Stromgarde would be the major force backing them and it’s led by someone who hates forest Trolls as much as they hate Elves, they wouldn’t accept even if they offered.
(But it would be interesting if they Offered anyway.)
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I had totally forgotten about Stromgarde. Yeah, that wouldn’t go too well.
It’s strange, there used to be a solid case for the Amani allying with the Alliance to retake their ancestral homes, but now they’re more likely to ally with the very people they want to evict in the first place (albeit barely and likely unwillingly).
I wonder how well the Amani could even rally the other tribes at this point. The Revantusk are now in the Horde, some like the Mossflayer have decided to mind their own business, and even the more militant tribes like the Vilebranch and the Witherbark would find themselves fighting against the Zandalari, which is probably enough to give them pause.
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Perhaps before the Trolls War, I could see Humans and Trolls banding to cut off the knife ear mutants but currently I don’t see the Amani supporting any side and just do what they did back when the Scourge invaded Quel’Thalas.
Sit and enjoy the carnage that happens at their doorstep
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I’d hate to say it but the Amani as a nation is probably best lost to time. Allow the various tribes to go their own way. Because, as this point, the Amani only exist to be 3rd rate villains.
You know what would be awesome? If we could relive and play through parts of the Pre-Night Elven Troll Empire time, sort of like how we had to witness Huln during the War of the Ancients, but following along the Amani’s fight against Kith’ix. This is something we should of gotten in a Old God expansion.
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Although I’d say many Troll Tribes would or could have joined the Horde as well, I’d say that a much large portion would reframe from doing so either out of pettiness or solid grudges.
Technically speaking the Darkspear are a branch of Gurabashi Trolls that split; but the Gurabashi as an individual entity itself is a rather prideful one / would be unfriendly towards the Horde for foiling their glory not once, but twice.
As for the Amani - They would most definitely be against joining the Horde on the mere premises of the High Elves / Blood Elves in the Horde.
The Farraki had their city turned into a wasteland by the invaders so they’d probably be rather reluctant as well.
That being said, the best I could imagine is renegade trolls that left those respective clans / tribes going to the Horde (Maybe even for Survival?) or their respective Loa they follow advised them to do so for the greater good.
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It’s also worth mentioning that the Alliance/Horde invaded Zul’Aman not once but twice in recent memory, their holy capital, and slew the champions of their Loa and their warlords, including Zul’jin who was more or less considered by the second coming of Warlord Jintha-- and that Zul’jin is venerated even in Zuldazar itself by the Amani there.
Getting the main Amani to join the Horde is next to impossible, but smaller, isolated Forest Troll tribes like the Witherbark might be convinced if it meant killing the humans of Arathi.
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Frankly, I don’t think the Alliance would work with the Amani.
They hate trolls in the first place, don’t really need their help anyway, and, like you said, treachery seems almost inevitable. Especially since the only reason the Alliance would take Silvermoon would be to install OTHER elves in it. Certainly not to give it to the Amani.
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Almost completely wiped out via the Forsaken.
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The Amani cut off their ties with the Horde in the first place because the Horde allowed the Sin’dorei to join. The hatred between the Amani and Quel’Thalas is strong and deep. The Troll Wars were what led the Quel’dorei to seek an alliance with humans for the first time and teach them magic. The prospect of fighting the Amani again saw the Sin’dorei and the Quel’dorei join forces in Cataclysm. Out of the modern elf leader characters, Lor’themar, Halduron, Liadrin, Alleria, and Vereesa all have bad personal history with the Amani, and in the case of the first three that includes Zul’jin specifically.
I think Zul’jin summed up the Amani position rather succinctly: “I hate you. I hate all of you.”
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