Rogues are good, they’re just a little bit of a late bloomer. That and there’s fights like Leotheras that are melee unfriendly in general. Kicks and stuns are useful, and someone needs to take the DST from the hunters and the glaives from the warrior.
They’re good to have along, you just don’t want to stack them.
You’re talking about raiding. I’m talking about PvP 
I found warlocks weak in PvP which is primarily what I did in Vanilla.
Feral druids were great in TBC.
Shaman heals are great; but El was never stronger than in Wrath imho.
I personally think shaman dps peaked in MoP. Stormblast was awesome.
All classes got some great power in Panda. This is one of the reasons I really like that expac.
God I miss Xelnath…
Didn’t play WotLK much, but I think I was melting faces in PvP on my elemental shaman because of lava burst or lava blast or whatever it was. Some sort of lava thing lol
False, On most fights rogues do competitively when compared against people in equivilent gear thats appropriate for the tier.
Depends purely on why you play whether or not you’re going to be happy. You should do well every fight, whether you top or not depends 100% on the figth mechanics and how much uptime you have on the boss.
Hearing Rogues whine about their potential future raid viability as a feral cat main always makes me raise a giant eyebrow.
Like are you really so insecure in your gameplay ability you think you will be seen as completely incompatible with any raiding guild?? There’s plenty of us with steeper hills to climb out there and doing just fine.
Rogue is not crap, it’s a solid DPS, just isn’t quite Hunter & Lock level of DPS, but we aren’t Warriors in Classic either so really there is no problem.
If you want a raid spot then show up for raid night and be ready and play well.
See you in TBC!
The problem is not the DPS, it’s the raid mechanics being heavily punishing to melee that is the actual issue. On a target dummy rogues are just as capable as any other class.
Yes I know that the melee side of thing is a little more of a challenge, but I am sure most people can handle it if they really want to play a rogue.
Also consider that we rogues have the best kit for dealing with pesky boss mechanics. =)
Rogues have the absolutely highest top end DPS in T6, even without glaives. Might start out with only 1 per raid in T4-5, but 2-3 rogues will be the standard for speed run guilds. They can do 4k DPS.
On a single target for 2 minutes? No, they can’t.
No class in TBC can do 4k ST DPS consistently for 2 minutes outside of Enslave or Spell Steal or other shenanigans and even then, that’s still rare as hell.
Look, if you want to play Rogue, you can always do Arena for gear. No one is stopping you from playing this awesome class. And most guilds will probably bring one along either way.
Barring exploits and Wound Poison (think Magtheridon), no, you will never be brought along in a top 5 raid. You have absolutely no chance of ever doing that.
Does it even matter to you? I don’t think it does. Play the class. Have fun.
I don’t think for most people it will be a factor. Good raiders that are dedicated and work hard will always be more useful than lazy meta players.
100% this.
The problem is the player mentality. all raids can be cleared in TBC with sub optimal raid comps, especially if you have highly competent players.
Consider a similar play style but guaranteed epic for TBC…Feral Druid.
Rogues are literally tied with Mages as the Holy Trinity of WoW (Warrior, Priest, Mage/Rogue).
You cannot and will not ever be dead, bad, meme. or any other word to describe “useless” in any form of WoW ever to be released, including the (inevitable) re-release of TBC. Your DPS in early raids should not be considered. Your DPS while questing should not be considered. You will be able to control and dominate ANY fight you take part in as a virtue of the class.
Every other class who purely DPSs can and will get boring over time. Rogue is one of the VERY few classes that never gets boring, based purely on how incredible they are at EVERYTHING else.
TLDR - Rogues were fantastic in TBC and excelled where it mattered in end-game. You’ll be fine.
We’re going to see a meta shift in how fights are performed so this statement might be premature. Any council style fight with multiple chances at abusing cleave have a high potential for dealing 3.5K+ in tier 6+ gear.
He isn’t talking about cleave though…
4k dps is 4k dps, whether its a ridonk short duration fight that ends under CD’s or a sustained cleave/multi dot fight.