dude I get it, he’s a paladin and they are supposed to save ppl. But there was no saving strath. Uther would have realized this IF he actually set foot inside the city. Instead he ran, abandoning everybody in that city.
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My whole point about that though is that they DIDN’T know that given the context of the situation. Even if they entered the city they still didn’t know that it was completely hopeless.
It’s pretty much sheer luck that Arthas was right.
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You’re just assuming something that wasn’t explained yet, even Nobbel with all his knowledge about wow lore isn’t sure if it is how frostmourne works or if it happened because of Uther’s petition to the light
He chose his fate, he willingly picked up frostmourne knowing what it would entail and his actions prior to that were not good either. If you read the arthas book, you understand that he had always feltt this redicilous need to be perfect, to be greater and that no sacrifice was too small to achieve it, he was ruled by his emotions and it lead him down the dark path, it made him easy to corrupt.
Whether you feel bad for him or not is up to you, it matters not as he must suffer the consequences of his choices regardless. Tragic, yes, but he caused many things to happen and the world is still scarred by his actions to this day and Uther throwing him into the maw was the result of his choice. If anything I feel bad for Uther, so betrayed by his pupil who he loved, who he was so proud of, only to be betrayed, to have his friends and people killed, arthas’ father murdered in cold blood and the land he fought for destroyed by someone whom was like a son to him as well.
A tragedy, yes, without a doubt, but Arthas’ fate was of his own making and I look forward to seeing where they will take it next.
Eh.
Not all the pieces are on the board yet.
I remain speculative.
Well, sorry to tell you, but Uther’s devotion to the light doesn’t matter because one half went into the sword. The other half went up. The only person that golden side could’ve been is the Kyrian Uther. It’s not exactly assumption and more like logic.
We know that’s what happened. What we don’t know is why it happened.
As in, was the split because that’s how Frostmourne works or was the split because the Light intervened on Uther’s behalf?
We haven’t seen the sword do that to any other character.
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Logic doesn’t apply to fantasy my dude, if the writer decides something happened then it happened
I mean, souls don’t usually go into swords. So likely Frostmourne. Devos stated that what happened was a result of the sword. Frostmourne damaged Uther’s soul.
Yeah I can tell you don’t have any argument left at this point.
To be clear, Arthas was young and rash. He wanted desperately to save the people he loved, his people. His first brush with the undead shook him. Watching his people die and be raised made him frantic.
Uther failed to comprehend the danger this posed and left Arthas to deal with the threat. Arthus was forced to purge an entire city in what he deemed the only way to save his country.
Say Uther had stood beside him, helped shoulder the burden. Mal’Ganis may have been killed in Strath’holme. Uther could have seen the horror of it for himself and even helped Arthas through it. Worse, if Uther had convinced Arthas to wait, the entire Kingdom may fallen under the shear numbers.
Uther failed Arthas as a mentor. Arthas now driven mad by being made to slaughter his own people, can’t see past his own hatred and PTSD. He wants nothing more than to kill Mal’Ganis and ensure this never happens again.
By the time Uther recalls Arthas men in Northrend, his madness has consumed him. At this point the Prince no longer sees any other path and he is willing to sacrifice everything to stop Mal’Ganis. Uther could have sent re-enforcements, but he still doesn’t grasp the threat because he had abandoned the Prince and despite all the evidence refused to listen.
If Uther had re-enforced Arthas, they may not have needed Frostmourn to win. Uther again failed Arthas. After he touched the sword, his soul was severed and his actions were no longer his own.
Now a puppet of The Lich King, he kills his father, revives his enemy, laying waste to elves and humans and more. Then he is called to save The Lich King by becoming The Lich King.
Despite that, Arthas continues to fight back, holding back his undead hordes, allowing the players to amass power and numbers. Ner’Zuhl believes this is to create his army, but there is evidence that Arthas did this so he would increase our chance at victory and we would release him from his torment.
I don’t believe he would have been sent to the maw, certainly not bastion, but likely not the maw either. If Illidan truly died, would he go to the maw? His story is similar but he’s never controlled. He killed or enslaved thousands for what he believed was justice too. He saw a threat no one else saw and though imprisoned, he was never abandoned.
Arthas’ story is about the failure of his mentor and this short really seals my utter hatred of Uther and his smug faith. Not only did he fail at every turn, he blames the his student for his failure and condemns Arthas’ eternal soul to endure more torment because he can’t accept his failure!
Why?, because I’m exposing your headcanon?, until the game or a book tells something about it it is just your opinion against mine
It’s not really headcanon if it’s supported by the cinematic we watched.
Devos said that Frostmourne did this to Uther. We then watched Uther’s soul visibly get torn in half.
Frostmourne also hasn’t split anybody else that we’ve seen.
It damaged his soul but thus far it’s appeared as though the rest of the souls Arthas killed are just completely absorbed by it. The fact that there was a soul at all to go to the Shadowlands may have been the Light’s doing.
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It is never duty to follow an unlawful or immoral order…what Uther did at Stratholm was advise against what was a reckless course…it may have also been the correct course but nobody knew that at the time.
We can look back and see the whole story already unfolded…they did not have that information at the time. Uther saw a morally wrong course of action and advised against it, he then went up the chain of command to the King in protest. This was the correct course of action at the time.
Ultimately we can say, with the benefit of knowing the whole story, that was the wrong course of action to take, but it doesn’t change the fact that, at that specific point in time, with the information they had, the culling of the second largest city in the Kingdom was not a moral choice and the King had to be brought in to rein in his son.
Uther did exactly as he should have done. What Arthas goes on to do, his corruption, the taking up of Frostmorne, his eventual donning of the Helm of Domination are all His choices and his alone. Could Uther have prevented him from getting there by participation in the culling…maybe…maybe not. But the choice to say this far and no further was always in Arthas’ hands.
Nobody forced Frostmorne into his hands…tricked maybe…but not forced. Nobody forced him to cut out his heart or kill his conscience. That was all him…maybe manipulated but he still made the decisions that led to his own downfall.
It is not on Uther, Jania, Teneras or even Mal’ganis and Ner’zul. Arthas made the choice.
I’d rather wait for the game to deliver an answer, will be interesting how people react if what you claim is true, I’ll prepare my popcorn
Well in the past this plot point hadn’t been written yet.
Or half of their souls. Weren’t you the one who told me that Uther has had multiple personalities?
No. Xandria of the Kyrian has told us the Light has no claim or influence over anything in the Shadowlands.
I thought it was clear. Frostmourne takes the whole soul, that’s cannon. Uther called out to the light to save his soul. That split was clearly the light intervening. The scar left in the shadow lands is the evidence that Frostmourne still got part of his soul. We also know The Lich King didn’t forge the sword, someone in the maw did.
Unsure why you’re arguing about it. The story seemed pretty clear!
We also haven’t seen any in Shadowlands yet either, not even in the beta were people have done a lot of the quests.
I said that right now there seems to be multiple Uthers with multiple personalities.
Which is true. Frostmourne Uther forgave Arthas and is the Uther we remember while Bastion Uther didn’t and is headed down the path of vengeance.
However we still don’t know if that was a byproduct of Frostmourne or the Light.
Frostmourne splitting every soul would cause a lot more problems lore wise than it being the Light tried to save Uther specifically(but didn’t get his soul without damage).
The Naaru have previously intervened to save the soul of a crusader in Northrend.
The Light may not have power in the Shadowlands, but it very clearly has power over a soul at the time of death in the mortal realm.
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Well… there are infinite afterlives you know. Kind of like finding a needle in a haystack.
A big haystack.
A very big haystack.
Again, the light has no claim over anything regarding the Shadowlands.
Yeah but they can’t dictate whether or not a soul is picked up by a Spirit Healer.
It might be able to fight against Frostmourne trying to take the soul away from where it would naturally go, however.
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