Alterac Valley in Classic

[Robfried-shadow-council]

You can feel that way if you want and choose to think its a lost cause fine by me. But dont sit there and say my asking for something is invalid based on something blizz said and expect me to acceot that when i have examples of the opposite being said.

[Robfried-shadow-council]

And? He said they (blizzard) want our feedback. Were giving it. If you dont like it or think its a watse of time good for you. We’ll decide if its worth our time not you.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

You have created the bulk of toxicity in here along with Lunni, as you’ve no interest in actually discussing the merits of vanilla aspects but rather seek only to stifle good faith discussion. Nothing says “I don’t like echo chambers” like waltzing in and setting up shop and doing nothing but stifling those talking with each other.

You’ve done nothing but attempt to -block open discourse.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

The devs said one thing and followed through with it in every blue post since then. The figurehead of the company, a man who rose through HR to his position, said another thing more than a year and a half ago and none of that has come to pass.

I know which one I’ll be believe when two contradictory positions are staked.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

Last january was less than a year and a half ago.

[Luuni-area-52]

In think with this thread, Eloraell and I are trying to ensure that Classic remains as close to Vanilla as possible. That would include that 1.12 AV be there in phase six.

I’m sure in this thread I’ve even said I’m fine with them doing 1.5 AV for the appropreiate phase.

The issue now is that people want 1.5 to remain forever. That didn’t happen in Vanilla. It shouldn’t happen in Classic.

1.12 AV as it stands right now will be there at phase six with the current plan. It was there for the end of Vanilla, it should be there for the end of Classic.

You guys are arguing against that.

Classic WoW is supposed to be recreating the history of Vanilla WoW best it can. You shouldn’t erase history just because you don’t like it. Which is what many are trying to do it seems.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

In think with this thread, Eloraell and I are trying to ensure that Classic remains as close to Vanilla as possible. That would include that 1.12 AV be there in phase six.

the compass heading should be to try to re-create the original 2004, 2005 experience. That’s the compass heading we should be following.

The issue now is that people want 1.5 to remain forever. That didn’t happen in Vanilla. It shouldn’t happen in Classic.

the compass heading should be to try to re-create the original 2004, 2005 experience. That’s the compass heading we should be following.

Classic WoW is supposed to be recreating the history of Vanilla WoW best it can. You shouldn’t erase history just because you don’t like it. Which is what many are trying to do it seems.

the compass heading should be to try to re-create the original 2004, 2005 experience. That’s the compass heading we should be following.

I think in this thread, the two of you are simply looking to stifle conversation and cause friction to get reactions.

[Luuni-area-52]

Well that’s not the compass they’re going with now. In this thread they stated they’re going with the 1.12 version.

In this thread here is what happened.

Blizzard announced their plans for AV. I accepted it. Others have accepted it. Others have not. I am arguing and showing Blizzard that I stand with their idea because it would have 1.12 AV in phase six, which is trying to emulate the 1.12 patch.

[Robfried-shadow-council]

You dont know what has come to pass that hasn’t been written on this forum. You have no idea how many can do ubrs for example. Also the patch progression was a change wholly withing vanilla and that was changed due to feedback. Thats an example of then listenting to players. So i have every reason to believe asking for a change can in fact lead to that change.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

Blizzard announced their plans for AV. I accepted it.

Good, then you are no longer needed in the thread.

Some of us actually care about the game and are happy to lobby to get Brack to get that compass back out and right the ship.

[Robfried-shadow-council]

Brach said they were open to feedback. They changed something due to feedback. Therefore brach was right. Were giving feedback to try to get them to change an aspect of classic.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

Brach said they were open to feedback. They changed something due to feedback. Therefore brach was right. Were giving feedback to try to get them to preserve an aspect of vanilla.

fixed that for you.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

You have no idea how many can do ubrs for example

10 man. As it was in 1.12. Anything else would be breaking their own rules, which they have not done yet, nor shown any sign of wanting to. Actions speak louder than words.

[Luuni-area-52]

And I don’t want that because it would further change Classic to be something that Vanilla was not.

1.12 AV existed at the end of Vanilla. I want 1.12 AV to exist at the end of Classic. You don’t. I do.

People in this thread, myself included, have provided statements from Blizzard showcasing that they’re keen on using 1.12.

People who are counter arguing are just having a revolving door of “Oh you’re just trolling.” Or… “You’re just fishing for reactions.”

When I cite blizzard employees from the original WoW team. You cite no one. You attack me. When I cite blue posts. You cite no one. You attack me. When I cite 2005 forum posts from the original Vanilla forums claiming there was no massive forum post about AV. You cite NOTHING. You attack me.

Time and time again, you have provided zero counter argument. Where are the old forum posts of people outraged? I looked at the 2005 forums. People were more upset about the PVP system then AV changing. No one cared enough about AV to make a massive forum post about it.

Cite SOMETHING to back up your argument. You keep telling me how you think this is bad for the game. How 1.12 will ruin the game because of how you feel it will ruin the game.

Back it up please. Show me literally anything that suggests that it will. As of right now I see no forum posts that suggested that vanilla players hated the AV changes.

Where is your evidence?

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

10 man. As it was in 1.12. Anything else would be breaking their own rules, which they have not done yet, nor shown any sign of wanting to. Actions speak louder than words.

Yeah, you are totally here just to fight against echo chambers.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

There’s another term for it, but I’m pretty sure using it would be rife for reporting.

[Robfried-shadow-council]

They specifically said “For many parts of the game like this, we’re picking an original WoW patch that gives us the most clarity for WoW: Classic, and 1.12 is that patch.” Many and all are different words. Stop claiming they said they are going with 1.12 for everything. Other than 1.12 av and itemization what have they for a fact stated about what will be in classic? Nothing else. You don’t know anything more than we do.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

And I don’t want that because it would further change Classic to be something that Vanilla was not.

the compass heading should be to try to re-create the original 2004, 2005 experience. That’s the compass heading we should be following.

People in this thread, myself included, have provided statements from Blizzard showcasing that they’re keen on using 1.12.

the compass heading should be to try to re-create the original 2004, 2005 experience. That’s the compass heading we should be following.

When I cite blizzard employees from the original WoW team. You cite no one. You attack me. When I cite blue posts. You cite no one. You attack me. When I cite 2005 forum posts from the original Vanilla forums claiming there was no massive forum post about AV. You cite NOTHING. You attack me.

the compass heading should be to try to re-create the original 2004, 2005 experience. That’s the compass heading we should be following.

Have you actually read Mark Kern’s thoughts on AV changes during vanilla?

Time and time again, you have provided zero counter argument. Where are the old forum posts of people outraged? I looked at the 2005 forums. People were more upset about the PVP system then AV changing. No one cared enough about AV to make a massive forum post about it.

the compass heading should be to try to re-create the original 2004, 2005 experience. That’s the compass heading we should be following.

Cite SOMETHING to back up your argument. You keep telling me how you think this is bad for the game. How 1.12 will ruin the game because of how you feel it will ruin the game.

the compass heading should be to try to re-create the original 2004, 2005 experience. That’s the compass heading we should be following.

Back it up please. Show me literally anything that suggests that it will. As of right now I see no forum posts that suggested that vanilla players hated the AV changes.

I and others are literal posters who hated the changes.
Of course that carries no weight with you.

Where is your evidense?

the compass heading should be to try to re-create the original 2004, 2005 experience. That’s the compass heading we should be following.

I honestly do not care what your view of this is at this point.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Deviating from the status quo in every other case that they’ve done so far, has required a reason.

Like I have said repeatedly, CP3 should be AV1.5, and then CP6 be AV1.12, but AV1.5 forever would be a deviation from their design philosophy.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

Deviating from the status quo in every other case that they’ve done so far, has required a reason.

Like I have said repeatedly, CP3 should be AV1.5, and then CP6 be AV1.12, but AV1.5 forever would be a deviation from their design philosophy.

Then you should be fine with after the same amount of time 1.12 existed that Classic should become 2.0 TBC. Because to keep it at 1.12 a moment longer would be a change.