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When standing up new WOTLK servers, please make 1 with a rule of no GDKP. make it a ban able offense. This would be an easy way to combat what is killing your game. You are removing RDF, stating that it is for the “community” while roughly 60% of us want it. I do realize it will break your money stream. Farmers farm the gold to sell to players, who then use it to pay boosters to level them. While you do catch some farmers, and ban them. it is a drop in the bucket. But you don’t mind do you? because they have to buy another copy of the game and pay another sub. Any ways, the player after boosting needs gear so they buy more gold to do GDKP runs for gear. End state, usually they quit shortly after that, because they don’t know how to play their class and get called out on it.

It may not work but i believe it is worth a try. No GDKP, less gold buyers, less farmers, a lot less chatter in chat from sellers and boosters. Also please bring back RDF, cut it down from cross server to either server only, or even guild only. This would get more people to join guilds. And in the end is that not what this is all about? playing games with friends.

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A very easy way to combat a playstyle that you don’t like in an MMORPG is to create your own groups.

:slight_smile:

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No one is forcing you to run in GDKPs. Start up an SR run if you want. Or MS/OS.

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if they don’t ban bots, what makes you think they are ever going to ban normal players doing GDKP. it’s not happening.

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It’s cute that you believe this server wouldn’t have bots and wouldn’t have people swiping for gold. But to follow the fantasy through and magically all that was removed there would still be rich players who hustled and poor players. Even if not advertised in public in-game channels, purchases of loot or carries would still happen. Discord and other non-Blizz supervised methods of communication exist.

Could this server please be called “Peon”?
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You do not dictate what OTHER players do with THEIR gold. You are free to make your own raids and/or not go to those. That is the solution.
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In Soviet Warcraft, your gold is my gold!

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You mean the gold that you wouldn’t have even a tenth of if it wasn’t for bots and gold sellers funding all the gdkp?

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Jokes on you comrade I don’t have any gold!

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not really 60% who want RDF, more like 85% who want RDF

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I love that the most common argument against RDF is that the most convenient and most prevalent system forces people to play into that system; particularly for dungeons & heroics which are trivial introductory content. Yet when GDKPs, which account for the vast majority of PUGs, are criticized, I see quotes like:

“No one is forcing you to run in GDKPs. Start up an SR run if you want. Or MS/OS.”
“A very easy way to combat a playstyle that you don’t like in an MMORPG is to create your own groups.”
“You are free to make your own raids and/or not go to those. That is the solution.”

Amazing how people can just easily start their own raids yet can’t start their own 5 man content. /s

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Imagine trying to turn a post into an anti LFD rant in a disingenuous manner.

The complaint here is that the op does not like gdkp as an option. He wants to deny other people the choice of organizing via gdkp. People in this thread presented the alternatives.

That has nothing to do with LFD and the lack of it. The complaint regarding LFD is that the choice to use a legitimate wotlk system is being denied to the player base.

Trying to conflate the two issues is pretty piss poor arguing bro.

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OP’s 4th sentence was " You are removing RDF, stating that it is for the “community” while roughly 60% of us want it." So I think it’s relevant, and don’t think that I’m turning the conversation, especially not disingenuously.

I’m just not a fan of folks who see one system and say they’re being forced into it because of the community, then turning to another system that has an even larger end game impact, and saying “if you don’t like it, don’t use it.”

RDF and GDKP are both systems which when available become the path of least resistance and people feel forced to engage with it. Yes, RDF was a Blizzard implemented system while GDKPs are player implemented, and that’s a notable difference. But one difference doesn’t mean there aren’t also key similarities.

Edit: Also, I was not trying to turn this into an anti-RDF rant period. I’m very much in favor of RDF, and am in the boat of “if you don’t like it, then don’t use it.” I’m also fine with GDKPs existing if the botting and gold buying problems were more seriously managed by Blizz. I’m not against your comment on GDKPs, I just find it odd that on the forums I see folks saying they would be forced into RDF, but they’re fine with GDKP because folks aren’t forced to use it.

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It is not, because your point that you made here:

Was that the people’s response to this specific complaint is to choose another method of organization was somehow hypocritical when these same people discuss LFD. You were attacking the responses made in this thread rather than what the OP said, so stating that the OP mentioned LFD in his post is actually irrelevant. You double down on that here:

Try not to misrepresent your own argument.

My point stands, the complaints differ. OP is complaining about a method of loot distribution and wants it banned. People who want LFD want a legitimate system in WOTLK to be in the game. The reasons behind each are different.

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I think tone is just frequently lost in text brother. I mean nobody any disrespect, and I’m not misrepresenting my argument. OP compared the RDF and GDKP systems in his opening paragraph, and I’m simply continuing that.

There are real parallels between two systems which players feel forced to engage with when they would rather not. Both of these arguments are met with responses that boil down to “if you don’t like it, then don’t use it.” I personally feel that this is the correct response to both RDF and GDKPs. I just ask for consistency :wink:

OP states that Blizz is removing RDF, stating that it’s for the community. The only reason I’ve seen members of the community being in favor of RDF’s removal is because they feel forced into it because the majority of available players will choose that system if it’s in the game, and they don’t like being forced into it. The reality is that they can make their own 5 man PUGs for this content if they so choose, but their argument that there are fewer available players to choose from because most players would use RDF if it was available.

Similarly, the vast majority of PUG raids are GDKP anymore. Players who don’t want to go into GDKPs can still attempt to make their own groups, but the same problem of fewer available players stands, since most elect to join the GDKPs. Therefore, people still feel forced to engage with this system.

Again: “If you don’t like it, don’t use it” applies to both scenarios, and both systems are similarly forced upon the community. My only argument is that they should both be treated consistently, as there are large parallels. It feels bizarre for one to be considered bad for the community, while the other is acceptable.

I’m staunchly pro RDF, and therefore by my own logic, would not ban GDKPs, even though I personally dislike them yet occasionally participate in them because I feel forced to do so when I choose to PUG. However, I do sincerely wish Blizz was more engaged in banning bots and policing gold selling, which would make GDKPs more palatable, and slightly less “pay to win.”

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ok so I wont use the wording of GDKP ill use Gear bidding and distributional loot systems. its a flawed argument to “ban” GDKP as its a legal and using only in game mechanics way to distribute loot. Unless Blizz puts in Personal loot systems there will always be some way to trade in game currency for in game items…

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1 is a in game player run system of distribution and the other is a feature that skips creation of groups. They are different things If GDKP was some sort of Blizz build feature that you queued for and it was built into the game then yes I would agree but thats like saying we should remove Trading of items because it can lead to GDKP…

this is because most players dont need anything from the old raids anymore. And newer players want to just go in and get carried to get gear. If they did somehow ban an idea of loot distribution this wouldnt fix the pack of pugs being created. It might add some more for the people wanting to get carried but those are the green geared people wanting into BT/Sunwell which you wouldnt want to pug anyways…

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Because nobody is going to join with someone spamming in LFG chat when they can instead click a button to be automatically matched with a group and insta-teleported to the dungeon.

Go back to retail if you want your anti-social anti-MMO features so badly.

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A very easy way to combat RDF that you don’t like in an MMORPG is to create your own groups.

:smiley:

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No one is forcing you to use RDF. Start up an Dungeon group or Raid if you want.