[ALPHA Feedback] HUNTER Class and Class Tree

If I spec into Pack Leader and press KC, I deal more damage.
That is all a player cares about.
My damage profile remains the same. Press the KC button to deal majority of my DPS.

Right. And mechanically all stomp is, is more damage bolted onto Barbed Shot.

I know how it works. I am aware it is a separate damage instance.
My question to you is why does the player care beyond numbers? What does it do for me mechanically? Nothing.

I explicitly responded to your post prior to your response to Lucaviane. What are you going on about?

Also you ignored the fact that PL has a talent that does directly enhance KC itself.
You seem to think Pack Leader is exclusively VH.

People who do this always have incredibly weak arguments to begin with. This is no loss on my part.

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I didn’t ignore the rest of your argument, I just responded to what was wrong? You said

Then I responded with

To which you replied with

I didn’t reply to your Beast Cleave point because that’s not relevant at all to you claiming that VH tied to an AoE spender is stronger in AoE.

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My argument is above. You picked out an error to nitpick at. So yes, you ignored my entire argument to argue, which is why people blocked you the first time around bro.

You ignored all my other statements about the survival tree.

You ignored the slower/less useful nature of the pet autoattacks for survival.

You ignored the fact that kill command is a builder not a spender for survival.

Just to argue a point you could win.

Sure, but saying that VH will do AoE when it doesn’t is not productive.

And yet, Stomp doesn’t crit when BS crit, and it’s damage is not magnified when BS’s damage is, which is important distinctions to make.

Well right now is a great example where someone could be confused and think mechanically it can AoE or that the VH damage ability procs off of KC effects such as Deadly Duo, so yes there are mechanical implications to keep in mind before people assume things.

Nothing else was wrong, so why would I talk about the rest of the post? Do you need me to go line by line and tell you that I agree with you for validation? If you clicked the link I sent you, I already talked about the SV tree two weeks ago.

You accused me of not “having the same energy” towards one type of feedback versus the other. Don’t worry about it. You’re back to block for me. Better make more alts.

When I got alpha I had to log in and out of the forums and try different characters before it let me post on the feedback forum for Alpha.

Yes because it seems like this forum doesn’t keep consistency at all.

this person even proves it right here lol

I never said it did.
This is like the 4th time you’ve brought it up when I never said it, nor did I defend it.
That isn’t productive.

It really isn’t.
Stomp doesn’t hold any weight on when you press Barbed Shot. Frenzy stacks & its CD is all your factor.

No there isn’t. You press KC regardless.
If VH did AOE this would not change. You wouldn’t do a thing differently.

This person is not Lucaviane.
My name is Galedron. I am a different human being. You keep quoting me about things Lucaviane is saying and I don’t know why.

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Agreed.

It is, because people clearly get confused and will think things that modify Barbed Shot’s damage will modify Stomps damage, and be confused when it doesn’t work the way they think it does. If someone has a tier set or hero tree bonus that, for example, increases barbed shot damage by 20% and they don’t make a distinction with separate damage events, that person could get confused and think that the bonus would also increase stomp damage by 20% if they think the way you are describing them.

Yes I am aware? They said that feedback about things like tremos / tornados is not valid feedback to give, and that people that give feedback about hounds/owls is also not valid.

I said people on this very forum give that sort of feedback, and linked to you giving that feedback.

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This is the level 12 character Nonondriel who switched to another alt because people stopped replying to him

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To be upfront, I don’t see anything really unique being suggested. It’s the same feedback that most people have already given. Myself included - here. We’re all just waiting for our well over-due turn that this point.

And I specifically have to call out " Barrage baselined. (Address the issue of Survival not being able to use this talent)." - No, just delete this button. It’s not viable for raid or m+ content. The last thing I need is randoms doing is pulling half the dungeon and causing wipes or people just getting annoyed they need to angle themselves to not pull everything. I don’t know any Survs that want to click this button so not sure where you got this idea from. It’s as poorly designed of a button as Steel or Explosive Trap.

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there is nothing unique. people are spamming this forum with threads repeating the same thing all alpha cycle. it’s just needless clutter. people are giving feedback about things that aren’t accurate.

what is blizzard supposed to do when they look at this forum for feedback and see the same two people making the same exact thread 15 times and half the posts in the threads are giving feedback about things that aren’t true? well, they probably will just write off coming here for feedback at all and just stick to the alpha thread

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The difference is scaling factors, which could otherwise more than double its damage.

VH scales with solely AP and your damage mods.

KC scales with AP, pet damage mods (bundled also into your own), and KC damage mods.

What buttons you press and when depends on their damage, just as what talents are competitive depends on the net damage bonuses they produce, so those scaling factors are generally going to matter.

I like it, but lone wolf also needs sac,freedom,lust and anti heal.

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LOL I wish square wheels were our complaint. BRO WHERE IS THE CAR?!??? This is a cardboard cutout of one!

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I was actually think of another car metaphor…

Ignoring the hunter class is like Toyota ignoring the Corolla.

Yes, they’re generic. And I absolutely understand why designers find them boring. There are way more exciting options. But they’re literally one of the most popular products.

Anyone who neglects their most popular product & just relies on customer inertia is being foolish & short sighted.

At this point it’s not even a bad design decision, it’s a bad business decision.

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Why do you keep arguing about this while not understanding how it works

bruh this is like the 3rd or 4th time he swapped lol

everyone who disagrees with you is the same person

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