First off I think removing more restrictions for Allied Races in 10.1.5 is the right move as far as future proofing WoW goes. However I think making it so players need a level 40 to unlock them is a mistake. ( I have them all already. And I definitely have level 40+ so this doesn’t effect me.)
Personally I think it would be more FUN for returning players and new players if you simply made them earlier to obtain. I offer one simple solution.
Solution: Make it so Allied Races are unlockable after you finish Exile’s Reach and have completed the questline that shows you around Stormwind or Orgrimmar. They could then be handed a quest to check out the Embassies and unlock Allied Races after completing the tour of the capital cities. (By this point the player has already leveled one character to level 10. Creating another level 10 and being dropped into the major cities shouldn’t be very confusing as the player already did the quest showing them around so they at least know the location. They may not know where everything is yet. But it’s familiar to them at this point.)
A new/returning player shouldn’t have to level up a class to 40 on a Race they may not want to play just to unlock the Race they do want. Character customization (Race/Class combos included except maybe Dracthyr/Evoker) should be as easily accessible as possible and toward the beginning of the players journey.
I know being a experienced player I could get to 40 in a very short time window. But for newcomers it may be a little frustrating not being able to access those other races for some time. You have to remember they don’t know WoW like experienced players do yet. They don’t even have Chromie Time or a pile of gold and Heirlooms. They might not even have friends on the game yet to help them navigate the world. I say give the players more creative freedom earlier on.
Not sure i’m following your logic here. Care to elaborate further on why more player freedom earlier on will not add to more fun? Also you literally replied to my post not even 30 seconds after it was made. Holy heck you’re a fast one.
Keeping the requirement at 40 is a good idea as it lets new players have time to figure out if they enjoy the game as is before they worry about new races. Dracthyr should still require a level 50 or 60 to unlock as they’re brand new and play their own role in dragonflight itself. Returning players not having a character above 40 seems far fetched honestly but if anything I’ll be glad to stop hearing “Unlocking Nightborne takes a month to do” when it does not anymore you can unlock them in an afternoon or a couple sessions but even saying you need a week to do so is exaggerating at this point.
Oh it really is a low bar. But my point is that it could still be better. Why not go lower? I get they want people to do the quests from the Embassies themselves still so they will never just make them start level 1 and be available from the beginning. But this could be the next best thing to that by making them do the tutorial as the bare minimum.
well to treat it like the original sequence of events… They join after we make allies during various wars. New players start At the beginning chronologically or at least cataclysm. It could be a story reason.
I don’t really consider them a allied race as they are a niche race/class combo. And they also start kind far into the game. I think it makes sense that they aren’t available right away to some extent. Especially with them being current expansion content. I’d say leave it a high level requirement for that one specific case.
"Keeping the requirement at 40 is a good idea as it lets new players have time to figure out if they enjoy the game as is before they worry about new races. "
Also why is this good? What do they need time to figure out? It’s not like the allied races are advanced in any way or more difficult to use. Why do they need more time to decide if they want to be them or not?
you see, when I begin a new game - or a game I played 10 years ago once and forgot all about, if i get faced with, let’s say, 10 races, I can find the one I want. But when there’s 10 races and 10 more offshoot races, it gets so convoluted and confusing that I get discouraged to even continue. What if i make the wrong choice? This one is a fancier version of the other one, maybe it’s more for advanced players? But maybe it’s better. I don’t know, I’m a new player.
My response to this is that this isn’t FFXIV. There isn’t a reason to believe new/returning players will honestly play out every expansion in full all the way up to DF before doing DF content. They will out level everything first and probably be lost as is on the lore order of events due to how poor that experience is. And that’s not the players fault. In fact blizzard starts people off in BFA which is skipping quite a lot as is. You already have to go out of your way (and out of order) to grab many of the Allied Races. They start players off past when those races join.
Most returning people now don’t even do the whole expansion if they want a Allied Race. They just go do the requirements listed.
You could just as easily have that anxiety about the 10 races you see though. I don’t think adding 10 more offshoots really makes that much of a negative impact. Anyone asking all those questions is probably already on google anyway trying to see which race is best. I feel like most players will just make something they visually like. Some will care more about the racials. If they find themselves more invested into the game and find they like it then they may go back and min/max decisions etc. But that’s not exactly what most players do.
you assume there’s a group of players out there who will paly the 10 allied races but not the 10 base races.
there’s been no evidence of this group existing.
since you claim their existence, by Russel’s Teapot, you have the burden of proof. Until the group of relevant players is identified, there is no value removing the level restriction.
I never assumed people might not play the 10 base races. I’m advocating for MORE options being better. More player creativity and freedom earlier on that way people feel like they are wasting less time doing gatekeepy nonsense. What are you even going on about. Quit trying to derail this into some debate lord crap.
I think you could of found a better analogy tbh. They still have to earn level 40. It’s easy for us sure. But it certainly wasn’t nearly free. Have you ever sat down and watched new players try this game? I’ve seen several journeys started on YT now myself. Even with me in the chat helping direct these people they don’t exactly level in 8 hours like we do to cap. I think the biggest struggle I watched was someone who never tried a MMO before period. They managed to get off the island without understanding the UI and the controls entirely still. They definitely won’t be getting a allied race quickly lol.
Again my point isn’t about how hard or easy level 40 is. It’s about going one step further and making it easier still because i believe the more player creation freedom you have earlier the better.
I think you need to go back to school. “Could *have.”
What an incredible burden.
Yep. I was even one once myself.
I can only imagine how frustrating it must be for someone trying to learn something and, instead of using a proper guide or friend to lead them, they have an audience of strangers trying to backseat their journey via chat.
Not quickly compared to what?
I understand what you’re advocating. What you don’t seem to understand is that I reject this. On the one hand, I think it’s good the game has things you have to earn, like flying for example. On the other, it’s also possible to overload new players with way too much. Adding more options isn’t inherently good, and can indeed exacerbate the problem.
And i’m telling you I think you’re here in bad faith looking to be a debate lord so i’m good homie. You either like the idea and see it’s positives for what it is or you don’t and move on. That’s good enough for me.
You already tried to put words in my mouth and then debate me over it. I’m really not going to engage with someone like that further.