It is time to drop the sham, how many more expansions are alliance going to have to pay the price for having had weak racials? The population disparity is at an all time high and growing constantly. In BFA I had a single choice for mythic raiding guild on my server. And I am not even on a small pop server. Almost no one cares anymore about your faction war, you butchered that. Just let us play together in group content it is so tiresome.
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how many more expansions are the horde going to have to pay the price for the alliance bias overall ?
In my opinion, the faction merge is inevitable but I believe your justification is wrong.
The alliance doesn’t have weak racials. This raider io article demonstrates that overall alliance racials are either competitive or better.
The problem is a player created issue and to fix it Blizz will have to remove player choice…which will have horrible results.
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Regardless, statistics say that alliance now has the better racials but horde players are not flocking back over.
The problem is that the horde has the higher end progressive players so alliance will continue to move over there to push harder content.
Blizz cannot stop people from faction transferring. In fact the best they have offered is to keep cross-server mythic raiding locked until 100 alliance guilds have clears the raid.
And obviously that hasn’t worked.
I’ve been trying to tell people this forever but it goes against the cringe victim complex people’s fantasy of being opressed.
As someone who has drastically changed their opinion on who to blame is.
It’s a player made issue but it’s not fair to say the players need to fix it.
They need to make it painfully easy to transfer to alliance. Make it 5 dollars per character or something. Make it the lowest hanging fruit ever.
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They are currently offering a 30% discount for faction transfers but everyone I know that used it transferred to the horde, making the problem worse.
I could see them offering a one way discounted transfer to the alliance, but you know the alliance bias uproar would start immediately.
None of that is necessary, just let alliance and horde play together in dungeons/raids. They got rid of faction classes, but they will never convince people to go back to alliance. It is a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. They can pretend all they want that the faction war is still a thing in world and story content. But there is no place for it in end game content. Otherwise give all alliance players free horde transfers so I can just move all my characters over once and for all and be done with it.
perhaps they should only offer that discount if you’re heading to alliance then
there is obvious ways we can help the issue… i’m not going to say it’s guaranteed to work
People will complain regardless, if it’s under the acknowledgement that there is realm issues people will be a bit more accepting.
And I would like them to take a look at this on other servers. Iirc OCE has a opposite problem.
So I would take their warmode buff and give them the same character service discount but for horde.
That ruined flavor but it was no reason to make the game cross faction.
many people go horde and keep at it simply because a large number is already there, it’s a growing plant of imbalanced numbers
no… if this idea ever went through i want the story to acknowledge it
You sound like the most broken man on the planet it’s so sad
We do need to have the option to group with each other even if it’s limited to lfd/r at least.
What would be better is allowing us to choose what faction that we want to join at the start like the pandaren. The faction divide is as pointless as having Agra in the story.
Whatever faction war they bring up next time it’s just going to feel just as forced and meaningless as it was with bfa. It’s not even fun to think about anymore, because there’s no point.
I agree. The faction war is over, just let people play cross faction already.
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This feeling grew even more pronounced in Shadowlands. Everything going on just makes the faction conflict seem so… pointless, and actually counter-productive. Let us group and crossfaction guild. I am not asking to be let in SW or the like, but let players choose who to play and associate with regardless of faction.
I disagree. Less choice isn’t the answer, more choice is.
We need a button just like Warmode, called “cross faction grouping”. Allow each character to make the choice to work cooperatively to save Azeroth, or to cling to old hatreds and old alliances.
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There would have to be a mass transfer (like several several guilds worth) for it to be worth it even if it were free. I don’t see that happening, personally.
This would be nice, i have friends on both sides and i would be thrilled if i could play with all of them
Unfortunately, there is nothing in the alliance today that is attractive to justify staying or returning to the faction.
I only stay because I will not throw away more than 10 years as a worgen.
And after kultirans, junkgnomes and purple blood elves, a narrative that makes the alliance play dumb, there really is no environment in the alliance to be reborn.
That is why the thread they ask us to play with the horde of, is an admission of failure of the alliance as a viable faction and practically accepts the situation that we should not do anything else to reverse this either in narratives, development or in what can be .
Blizzard has been killing any meaning of lore for some existential value of the alliance.
We’re just going to join the horde and create a huge moba.
Have Mercy 
SNEAKY PETE!
Just ya know…
SNEAKY PETE!
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You are correct it is a player driven problem. But the fix is needed. I am giving up fun with real life friends because of the faction split and having to join a guild on the opposing faction to get good raid times.
Then i make friends on both sides and cant mix them because of arbitrary faction splitting.
Guilds can still declare a faction, but who really gives a crap if a few of your players are from the opposing. We arent even at war in the shadowlands…
Strangely I am expecting that next expansion or the one after they announce that the war is back on between factions. I really hope not. Use the EQ2 model. Factions can hate or dislike each other, not even allow each other into their own cities, but they should be able to mingle like they do in the Cenarion Circle and other groups. They should be able to group up, guild up, etc.