Alliance, start rerolling Horde now, or Horde, start QQing now

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My guild, having spent 11 weeks in the “trenches” of Tol Barad, taught me something very important. It was 11 weeks of eating :poop: from the likes of B I G P P V P in Grobb as well as Alliance Vanguard, Consejo de los Andes, Las Viudas de Arthas, No Mercy Mafia, etc… Then Season 2 started and lo and behold, we’re still losing Tol Barad with 7:1, 8:1 ratios. This alone proved one thing: that this is not a hiatus on the Horde part AND the Alliance failed to divide themselves and rescue the pop imba.

We knew S2 would come, and there was more than enough time to tool up new Horde toons. It doesn’t matter if you still want to mothball your own Alliance toons for Arena, which by comparison to WPvP is lesser in total engagement unless you do Arena “professionally”. The 80v10 arrangement, if I can spitball a prediction, is going to stay long term, because…

MoP will make Cata look like Romper Room when it comes to the REAL bowels of PvP. For those who make the racials argument, you think it was bad in Cata now, it will get WORSE in Mists, especially because Mists had some really Gucci trinkets. However, WPvP hangs in the balance in what would be one of the better open-world expansions, as Mists did not have a Tol Barad-type arrangement. So for all the Classic Horde mains crying about racials, it’s going to be sink or swim. Go ahead and decide to QQ now if you think you won’t rate, because…

My guild and I are determined to fight the Grobbulus/Omnirealm Alliance on our own. I won’t let your QQ be my QQ, what QQ that may or may not be. If I do QQ, it won’t be because of you. There won’t be another 11 weeks of sticking up for you, unless the Alliance–out of their own good grace and mercy–decide to do as the title says.

If you’re okay with being bad, I’m now okay with it too. If you won’t fight for yourself, I won’t fight for you. I’ll fight for me, and I’m taking said fight to the unifaction power that is Classic Alliance, just like I started doing vs. Retail Alliance back in 2015. And Retail Horde for the large part wasn’t there where I was. So if you think my basic instinct is to reroll back to the “ez mode” faction to do WPvP, you’re wrong. I’d get bored pushing over the less-than-good remnant of PvPers far too quickly. There’s a reason I am known in fame/infamy as the Jackal of STORMWIND instead of the “Jackal of Orgrimmar” or the “Jackal of the Undercity”. Anyone else can have that if they wish; I know I can get it if I really want to. It turned out that even in Retail, it was the ALLIANCE that was the more enthusiastic urban WPvP faction.

In summary, your only redemption pre-Leg, Classic Horde, is getting the Alliance to agree to split the faction. Easier said than done because of Arena and racials, I know, but if it doesn’t come to pass, you’re going to eternally lose until Legion and Classic Leg might not happen(though I’d expect it). If you’re not happy with a 90/10 arrangement in any non-Arena PvP, I would decide quickly to adapt or QQ. Or you could ask for Blizz to put in Merc Mode, except we know that games can still be thrown this way.

You can follow me and us, lead the way yourself, or just get out of the way altogether. I would think you’re in Classic FOR A REASON, because Retail has until now lost its way. If your reason is not actually being in non-Arena PvP to win it, then go your happy casual noober way and be dismissed as such.

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Is this all to say that you give up being Horde and are transferring Alliance, because you’re having a hard time with WPVP in Cata Classic?

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Well done.

Forget the factions for a Hot Pocket second, and by the way: where has your server been lately? Why are we still having 60+up/10-down Tol Barad? I should be seeing Tol Barad CHOCK FULL of Faerlina.

Do you not see the catch-22? Be on Alliance and get bored because almost NONE of the GOOD players are on Horde, or be on Horde and get it handed to you by people EQUAL if not BETTER than you all the time? Legion might be another 2+ years out at the EARLIEST before the stupid RACIALS starts to equal out. By that point, it won’t matter because of how artifacts and leggos eclipses EVERYTHING.

We won’t have a lot of time to make PvP worth a flip, because the Borrowed Power eras were not good(balanced) and I know it will be a lot worse. Arena alone is not going to do it; everyone is going to know the best comps.

The only reason I’m staying Horde is because I know what I’m doing and what I want to do, long-term. It’s going to be DOG EAT DOG in Classic Mists and Classic Warlords. I thought Ashran was Trashran back in Retail? I haven’t seen nothing yet, but I can already see it now. At least MERC MODE was added in WoD, but we know its dark side as a way games can be thrown. At least Alliance will be trolling Alliance, while the Hordish hobbits pick up the scraps under the table.

Horde is the ONLY way you can fight the Alliance in WPvP, with Timeless Isle being an outlier via Bloody Coins. It’s not like Arena where Alliance can fight Alliance teams. I’m doing the same thing any Arena junkie in Classic is doing right now but in a different mode and working with worse racials, if it can be put so crassly. Yet not every Hordie on Classic is doing what I’m doing, which, unfortunately, is going to make my job harder as a soloist…

I already know this is going to suck, because I’ve tasted some of the wind of that suck now already. “It’s a bit nuttey.”

Imagine Classic Legion and, I shudder, Classic BFA. But I’ll definitely do Classic Shadowlands.

I’m pretty much saying that the Classic community is going to have to take their share of the responsibility to make it work. If they don’t, it’s a decision between boredom(Alliance) and failure(Horde). I already have a way out of this binary reality, where I will neither be bored nor failing. To that end, maining Horde is a NECESSITY at this juncture, IF I want to seriously play Classic at all besides being in Arena. Arena, because of racials, is not exactly bifactional.

I never thought this would be an all-Alliance affair yet it is so. I can make the 11 weeks I spent last summer USEFUL; I can LEARN from this. And I think everyone else needs to also learn what I learned.

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You are only just learning what we all already knew from 15 years ago?

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You’d think this would be a chance to DO DIFFERENT. I started off as Alliance in 2005. I remembered Vindication Horde beating us every day except AV weekend. But yes, that means I’m not talking about Arena. Arena was never even factional. If Blizz made it where you could only compete against the opposite faction, that would be different. It might have been better because BOTH FACTIONS get an equal shake in racials.

I dabbled in Arena, and didn’t care for it. Because as an Arena junkie, a Wrath-era Rogue, had said roughly same 15 years ago: Class>Spec>Comp>Gear>Skill. For the sake of argument, racials fit somewhere in “Comp” or less than comp and more than gear. So I already knew it 15 years ago PvP and PvE both was hierarchal and if you didn’t play the meta you didn’t rate.

Because it has ALWAYS been a totem pole. Sometimes heads on the totem pole switch places but it’s always there. Yet I know a thing or two about a thing or two from back in Retail.

Yes, the SMART decision is to reroll for Alliance, because you won’t have to sweat, but I’m doing this for the competition. From MoP to SL I’ll be going up against the BEST Classic WoW has to offer. And yes, the winning will be hard, it will suck getting it, and it will be hard and sucky very, very bigly.

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Why would I reroll for Alliance? There is almost no Alliance at all on my realm.

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All instanced PvP, where the rewards actually are, is global, and that means you can expect to win most of the time and even most hours of the day. It’s not just your realm. Virtually all the good players have done it.

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So if your math is correct and I were to queue up for a WSG right now… It will be just me vs 10 Alliance?

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It doesn’t work that way, but you would be waiting a lot longer for a queue.

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Not if I use random battleground, since I’m assuming that’s what everyone is using since it rewards conquest for winning.

I should have mentioned using random battleground and getting WSG.

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There’s rated BGs too. That might be the only saving grace, except you have to find a GUILD that does it. Good luck being a HORDE GUILD about that right now. Again, that takes Alliance collaboration which is something we’re going to need.

Anyway, Firelands is live and I’m glad I’m not there as a Grobb Horde right now, to wax poignant. We don’t have War Mode yet, we don’t have Merc Mode yet, we don’t have evened racials(kinda?) yet, but at the same time, we only get this one second chance to PvP our nethers off in Mists and Warlords, before Legion comes.

Cata’s goose is cooked, and I won’t be missing it, for reasons not related to this.

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Not until next week. This is the last week of tier 11.

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Eh, I meant the Molten Front, as opposed to the raid. I’m not going to deny that I skipped Hyjal without realizing you have to do the entire questline to unlock it, as I totally forgot to look into it. I have seasonal work that runs until Christmas so I know I’ll be somewhat, or a hecka lot, behind.

Grobbulus lost that. I didn’t take it up the, for 11 weeks in Tol Barad to spend YET ANOTHER ELEVEN PLUS WEEKS rinsing and repeating. It probably won’t get rinsed off. But I know the problem matter isn’t just specific to Grobbulus, though I have to admit I had not seen a worse Horde…