I’m not saying they did. I’m saying that what was left of the older Alliance was just Garithos and his men at that time.
No, faction actions matter, no matter what. Like I said, it’s a game about war, and there has been plenty of war. Neither side can take the high ground on that.
We aren’t discussing Midnight. We are discussing who Blood Elves were allied with initially and it was themselves.
Which again isnt true. What was left of Lordearon may have been Garithos and his forces but we knew the rest of the Alliance survived considering Ironforge sent Garithos help.
In this case it doesnt. Again the Alliance did not help or even condone what Arthas did. The worse the Alliance could be blame for is not doing more to stop him but by the time the Alliance realized something was wrong it was too late.
They were initially allied to the Alliance. This is an undeniable fact.
Not saying no one survived. That they weren’t around to give their perspective on Garithos. He was all that remained. And he and his men sentenced them to death.
Oh look how the turn tables.
They were not and had to be convinced by Alleria to join. Did so reluctantly and then left immediately afterward.
The Horde literally helped Garrosh and Sylvanas destroy Theramore/Darnassus. Yhe tables did not turn, your trying to a make a chair a table.
And again he wasnt the entire Alliance.
Again they were, crawled back in Warcraft 3 after Arthas and likely had they never joined the Horde would have gotten a Gilneas/Stromgarde style story where they inevitably rejoin the Alliance.
gameplay versus lore lol.
It is BOTH gameplay and lore. Like the literaly discription of the unit is part of lore.
Keep trying to separate out the Alliance from what it’s done wrong.
Literally what it did “wrong” was done by individuals without the approval of Alliance as a whole. While the Horde has 3 genocides it actively participated in
Arthas did a genocide against his own people and the blood elves.
Correct, Arthas, not the Alliance/not with backing from the Alliance.
He thinks he can separate it out. And considering that Anasterian grew impatient with that Alliance and Arthas and Garithos were both a part of that Alliance, he can’t separate it out.
But that’s the poster that tries to justify the Purge. He’s very about ignoring everything the Alliance has done to have a moral high ground in a game about war.
He wants to make it seem like Blood Elves are Alliance in origin, when they were isolationist in origin. Too bad for him Blizz knows better.
then the horde atrocities under the burning legion don’t count either.
Can’t have it both ways.
Which is literally just the massacre of the Draenei and maybe the sacking of the Stormwind. To a certain degree even Velen was willing to at least give the Horde some pity in being used by Kil’jaeden.
But the Horde was mostly free to make a choice by the time of Warcraft 2. Doomhammer CHOOSE to continue the war against the rest of the Eastern Kingdoms and Ner’zhul specifically choose to attack the Alliance again both without demonic influence.
And that isnt including their two other genocide attempts in WoW proper.
Yeah- before the Alliance betrayed and abandoned them to their fate. The Blood Elves turned to the Horde because they became rightfully disillusioned with the Alliance.
If they ever turn Strats into a functioning city, you can bet Horde will be allowed in it so Alliance would only nominally get Strats as “their” city.
In the second war, Alliance leaders made decisions without consulting with or caring about the impact on Quel’thalas. The Silvermoon Elves left the Alliance because they felt like they were being taken advantage of after being dragged into a war against the Orcs that they frankly wanted no part in.
Correct, but the Alliance also made no attempts to rectify the situation. They understandably had other issues to deal with at the time, but even in the wake of the Third War there was no attempts to rekindle their relationship with Quel’Thalas.
Key term here is future members. Even after the Night Elves joined the alliance, again, there was no attempt by the Night Elves to bring them into the fold.
Besides- the alliance would have never accepted them after they turned to Fel energies out of desperation. A desperation that could have been avoided if the Alliance cared to help them. But they didn’t, then ostracized them for their actions.
Are you talking about the internment camps? The Alliance had a vote and the Silvermoon elves decided to make a stint because they didnt like the outcome of the vote and used the excuse that the Alliance was the reason Quel’thalas forest burned(even though without the Alliance all of itwould have burned)
The Alliance sent an ambassador. An ambassador the Horde killed.
Seems weird considering the Alliance has proven it can and does accept void/undead/fel wielders. Maybe the blood should have done more to prove they were not a danger to the Alliance/an actual asset.
No. I’m talking about almost every strategic move made during the second war. The High Elves were asked to contribute troops and supplies while having no input on where or how they will be utilized. After the Second War, the Alliance essentially demanded that they aided in the rebuilding of human lands with no care for if that was even a feasible thing for them to do.
This was more than likely as a result of a one off skirmish or raid on alliance forces, not a deliberate attack on an ambassador. Regardless, as the High Elves were not necessarily pledged to the Horde at that time, holding it against them is unreasonable.
Yes, incredibly the Alliance actually managed to learn from their mistakes. Crazy 
Not to mention they only became accepting of these forces once they became explicitly useful for them.
The ball wasn’t in their court, as the saying goes. The High Elves at this point had: Provided troops and resources with no input on their use, been treated with cruelty and indifference by a leader that was supposed to be there to help, and were pushed to the edge of total annihilation. They did everything they practically could. At that point, it would be up to the Alliance to prove that they value their contribution, and want a partnership over lordship.
That is because LOTHAR was made leader and EVERY ALLIANCE LEADER gave him the authority to make decisions. Not even the various human kings could make the military decision.
Everyone was asked to contribution. Even Lordaeron, you know the one who suffered a good chunk of the attack.
It was a literal deliberate attack and it is just as unreasonable to hold the Alliance responsible for the actions of Garithos when most of the Alliance didnt even know he had done that.
The Alliance had warlocks helping since Vanilla.
No one aside from Lothar was suppose to have input. That was part and parcel of the deal.