When I was in NEC, we…uh…might have done something kind of like that. The guild was Forsaken heavy and crime focused. And we were at one of the Duskfall (whatever they were called at the time) campaign events during SL. And there were bodies of those who’d perished from the fight. We might have opened a portal and chucked the bodies through it so we had parts for fleshcrafting. We kept waiting for someone - anyone - to notice. No one confronted us at all.
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The Alliance Guild Faire is delayed to November. Upside is we’ve taken the extra time to connect with our Hordeside counterparts (thanks Lluagor) so there will be collaborations to announce at a later date in the future.
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Nothing wrong with a little reduce, reuse, recycle, reanimate.
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Forsaken were people too.
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Forsaken are people, by and large free undead should hold the same claim to their homes they had in life.
And Scourge undead are not responsible for the crimes they committed given they were usually literally enslaved, and not even just following orders (though some Scourge WERE complicit, but those are individuals not the group). In the vast majority of Scourge their actions and movements were coerced and controlled by one man, and they had no power to prevent him from using their corpses for his goals.
To continue to hate undead after they were freed is to hate the people they once were.
It gets more muddy with Forsaken, but that is about holding individuals accountable, not the entire Forsaken.
And even then, one must remember, even the living have bad people. Galen Trollbane anyone? Heck even Arthas, he wasn’t undead when he slaughtered Stratholme.
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Sorry. Was making a reference to an old Vampire show called True Blood. The representative of American Vampire League (AVL) would say it on talk shows and it was on some of the show’s merch.
I disagree with this.
Wanna make sure this isn’t mixed up.
OOC- My opinion is that the entire “UNDEAD” Thing is really poorly written and has poorly thought out rules.
The Forsaken were Undead with “free will” from the Lich King’s domination. But then it never really explains what that free will is. Some characters that are Forsaken seem to act like their former selves while others seem to create entirely different personas (often cruel, callous, and/or sadistic).
Then you have the story of Lilian Voss which I argue was written much better and shows the absolute horror Forsaken should feel finding out they’ve been raised into unlife as a walking corpse, completely against their own will. You can argue that perhaps some people would welcome and even desire Undeath of course but for the general serfs and men at arms turned to undeath it should be a living nightmare.
That’s not even taking into account possibly living with the issues that blizzard doesn’t seem willing to write anymore like forsaken characters having to live with their actions of having fed on the flesh of their former loved ones or other horrific actions they were forced to do during their time as part of the scourge. Or for the more Religious ex-living, the thought of being trapped in a rotting husk instead of basking in the afterlife with their loved ones…or what ever the **** the afterlife was before Shadowlands made it stupid.
Again I point to poor writing or lack of willpower on Blizzards part to leave PG writing territory, the Living in general should see the Undead not as their former loved ones but as a corruption by the Scourge, nothing more then a walking corpse lacking the souls of those who have passed on. But Kiethoo that’s racist… 
I also want to argue that Forsaken and Undeath shouldn’t be thought of as Immortal. For the rank and file Undead there should be constant issues with decomposing and perhaps loss of memory similar to Ghouls from Fallout, and that only powerful magic users or those becoming alternate types of undead could be considered partially immortal.
Lastly- I don’t have anything against Forsaken Players or Roleplay, Im just stating my opinion on how I feel the Undead Story Rules for Warcraft are very poorly defined and updates such as Shadowlands only made things WORSE.
The most simple example question being…
Jim is a Human who follows the Light and is Lawful Good all his life.
Jim gets stabbed in the face with a dagger and dies. Ouch.
Jim’s soul goes to Shadowlands(?) and I guess goes somewhere…Bastion maybe?
Jim’s Corpse is then lifted into Undead and Jim’s corpse becomes Forsaken…
But Jim’s Spirit Remains in Shadowlands? Or does his Soul suddenly return to his Undead Corpse? Or are there 2 Jims now? a Soul in Shadowlands and a Undead in Azeroth?
And then what is the soul?!?! Arthas soul didn’t go to shadowlands till after we killed him as the Lich King? And what about all those souls trapped in his sword? Most of those became Undead under his willpower.
Maybe this should be it’s own topic…
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Yeah, there’s really no good canon answer for the whole forsaken soul thing. Shadowlands cocked things up pretty bad in that department. Most of the serious undead players I know have engaged in some in-depth RP around the degradation surrounding existence as an walking corpse and the corrupting influence of necromantic reanimation. Too bad Blizzard doesn’t weigh in.
Or probably pretty good. Like you said; Shadowlands.
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I think this was a major plot point in Shadowlands, that his sword “fragmented” the souls of the people he killed and resulted in undead beings with partial souls like Sylvanas and Uther runnin around with warped personalities.
In general all intelligent undead seem to have their souls bound to their body in some form, just… sometimes with bits chopped off? I don’t remember the question of “why don’t undead who were dead for a long time remember the Shadowlands after being raised” ever being touched on though.
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Everything about the shadowlands lore was just awful.
Thankfully Im a Warrior so I get to go to Valhall…ah…whatever the WoW version of Valhalla is called for legal reasons.
Which…is part of the shadowlands…but I got to go there before shadowlands…as a living being…so…wait…then…huh?
**** IT.
Shadowlands is no longer canon.
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Sorry, Shadowlands is canon. The RP Council (which doesn’t exist) met on the matter and voted 4-3 in favor.
By RP Law (which we never wrote), we cannot vote again on issues of lore for ten years.
You clearly forget that during the rein of Garrosh I, Malkrok of the Kor’Kron Elite wrote into law Emergency Powers which entitle the Kor’Kron Leader, for the defense of the Horde People and our culture, the ability to overrule and veto any law passed by any group, council, or club which in turn can only be overturned by the Warchief.
And let’s see…
Malkrok Dead…
Saurfang Dead…
Nazgrim tech dead…
Kiethoo…oh looks it’s me, IM the leader of the Kor’Kron Elite.
STAMS VETO ON SHADOWLANDS BEING CANON MULTIPLE TIMES
and the current Warchief is…oh right…we don’t have one anymore…
and the law clearly stipulates “Warchief” so…
The Jailer: I am your king.
Peasant Woman: Well, I didn’t vote for you.
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Strange worgen lying in ponds distributing runeblades is no basis for a system of government.
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They probably do but don’t talk about it, is my guess. Idk. I don’t think about it too hard, because my only undead character that knows about the Shadowlands is also a gremlin and will start biting people if they get asked too many questions.
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“I see only darkness…”
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