I always interpreted the origin of Thrall to be about him experiencing some of the worst traits of humanity. The woman that helped him just helped him realize not every human is a monster like his abusers.
I think what would make sense as far as believing some of the anti Orc racism is basically an abused child wanting the affection of their parent and internalizing their awful words, taking on a form of internalized racism in this case. Wowpedia does mention Thrall tried to just do better to earn more than the few moments of kindness from Blackmoore until one day he accepted the need to escape.
Well yeah, it is pretty obvious everything but the early writing of the Horde Warcraft 3 created has been very confused with the intended themes.
I think some people are disgustingly negligent with what messages their work sends.
My patience will increase 200% if Golden/someone were to come out and say “We mispoke, and we apologize. Garrosh was bad because of his personal choices as an individual, albeit due to generational trauma, not because he was the Orc-iest Orc to have ever Orc’d as we previously stated”
I got into Shadowlands because I wanted to take a look at what Ion’s “we’re going to listen to the feedback” worth. Even when their approach with covenants, conduit energy, and a bunch of other things totally flopped, his last comment on the topic was “I would still do it”.
I am not sure the devs would admit that their story direction is not suitable for the audience they have.
Even when they talk about the mistakes (like Danuser’s T&E interview), it’s presented as “we could’ve shown something better”, as if a few sprinkles over an odd substance would turn it into something amazing.
I can imagine some devs trying to talk their way out of it like “just wait till 9.2, it’ll totally fix everything”.
But I do not think their hubris will allow them to recognize that sometimes however they like something, in a commercial product it has to go.
Garrosh’s problem wasn’t that he was an Orc. It was his own self-perception of what being an Orc meant TO HIM. It was his own ideas of what being an Orc was that led him down his path.
And I’m certain that was the intended message of the Devs in that statement.
They just need a better spokesman.
IMO the idea that 1 character can represent the entire nation is not a good thing. Like, even in the town I live in currently there are great people and some rather too.
Yeah, I guess the idea that some races are inherently awful is a take that does not fit the W3 story at all, at least as I remember it.
But still, I personally think that the other are not good either. When the entire race, especially when we talk about longer living ones, are portrayed as if there is so little personality that 1 character can be enough to represent them, it’s a road to failure by itself, even if it does not look too bad on a surface.
I remember being able to be friendly with a few tribes. In classic it unlocked some crafting recipes.
And had some quests like
I need no home to know I still have a place in this world, . The tribes will see… all of them. They fight amongst one another, and for what? Scraps left over by vultures… lands infested by the Legion… bah!
The centaur should be proud of their heritage–it is just as noble as any Night elf’s or orc’s–it is time we started acting like it!
Indeed, although it involved killing the OTHER “evil” Tribes to do so.
So the “Evil” tribe was whichever was the Tribe you’re fighting for deems as more evil.
Eitherway, they’re severely underdeveloped as a race and deserve more equal representation in lore.
Yeah, I loved that NPC. Wish they did more with them.
I’m sympathetic to a point there, as with a project this big anythings going to be a witch’s brew of script notes and corporate style guides.
But in addition to being underwhelming, it also fails to be just basically coherent. How many huge subplots in BFA got straight up abandoned midway through? We never addressed the space elevator sized sword sticking out of the damn planet. I’ve no idea what happened to all that Azerite.
Like I’m very confident the Scourge coming back and running wild through at least Lakeshire is never going to come up again. Teldrassil really hasn’t and I’m not sure WTF the 4th War was even needed for if the Jailor is getting galaxy numbers of souls every day.
The only people I know who think the story is okay are the people who pay the least attention to it. And they don’t love it they just think it’s fine. This can only be enjoyed as something you have playing in the background while you half pay attention to it.
I’m sure it’s nothing nefarious. CIA higher-ups being involved in our entertainment is fine. A game targeted at a layman audience that lies about American Cold War crimes and pins the blame on other countries is just some harmless historical fiction.
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