Alliance hasn't 'Won' anything since Warcraft 2

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It’s true, from a purely faction specific viewpoint, ever since the victory of the Alliance over the Horde in the Second War, the faction literally hasn’t ‘won’ anything since then when in combat with the Horde, only defeats and stalemates. The only time we emerge ‘victorious’ is when it’s to the benefit of ‘everyone’ whether that be the Horde or other friendly/antogonistic neutral parties.

Warcraft 3:After the Orcs commit genocide against the Humans, the Horde and the Alliance put a swift stop to Daelin who tries the same against the Orcs.

Wow Classic:Only world ending events are stopped, no ‘Alliance victory’

BC:Same as Classic

WOTLK:Undead commit a sneak attack against the Alliance and Horde, in response Alliance help the Horde invade Undercity and purge their rebellious elements, but don’t even bother rescuing Humans being tortured. So Alliance loses soldiers, helps the Horde retake Undercity then leaves with nothing to show for it. A loss if anything

Cata:The Horde completely steamroll Gilneas and force them to flee to Darnassus. Seeing as the objective was to exterminate the Worgen and capture Gilneas, the Horde still won though not as hard as they intended.

MOP:Horde destroy Theramore, Jaina is talked down from destroying Orgrimmar. Jaina purges Dalaran of the Blood Elves which we learn is a Horde victory because now it means that talks to have the Blood Elves join the Horde, which would result in one less Horde race and one more Alliance race are now ruined. Alliance helps invade Orgrimmar, yet again helping the Horde clean up its own mess and leaves with nothing but a threat, seeking no reparations at all.

WOD:Again, any ‘victory’ the Alliance has helps the Horde just as much. As is a common theme in Wow, the Orcs fail to commit genocide and are promptly absolved of all guilt.

Legion:The Alliance help the Highmountain Tauren and the Nightborne directly who end up joining the Horde, the only Alliance race Horde could be said to help are the Lightforged Draenei on Argus and there is evidence this is only in game and lorewise they had nothing to do with Argus.

BFA:Horde destroy yet another Alliance capital and try to genocide the Night Elves. Alliance try to invade Undercity to capture just ONE person and fail to do that. They only capture Saurfang who didn’t even try to resist arrest and they don’t even claim Undercity as Sylvanas just destroys it. So that’s one victory for the Horde and one stalemate for both.

Then the Alliance attempt to capture King Rastakhan and end up killing him, making the Zandalari officially join the Horde.

The Alliance YET AGAIN help the Horde invade their own city for their own benefit, yet again gaining no reparations.

All in all playing the Alliance is a joyless, pointless experience as Blizzard never allows the faction to officially win against the Horde in any main conflict. They never get commupence and only face defeat after defeat. The worst part is that the Horde does technically lose, the problem? It has to be the Horde that defeats the Horde so Alliance can’t even get a participation trophy or some small victory.

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Varian was the last chance of the Alliance actually dealing damage to the horde. “If your horde fails to uphold honor again, as garrosh did, we will end you.”

Now in BfA, the horde has done the most honorless act in their history by genociding an alliance race (just out of pure hatred and completely unprovoked) and instead of respecting his father’s words, Anduin rather spits on his grave. It’s Anduin’s fault that all of this happened too because he convinced his father to not dismantle the horde at the end of MoP. Think about that all of that. Anduin doesn’t even consider that the Horde might not be the faction that you can simply make peace with. History has taught us that the Horde commits these atrocities over and over again but they write our leaders to be complete morons.

Can’t wait to forgive the Horde again in 3 years, like how is it even fun for the writers to write the alliance THAT stupid and incompetent? :roll_eyes:

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The Alliance ended up winning this one and holding more territory than the Horde, we just don’t see it because of game play.

What?

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The alliance just won the battle of Undercity, undo all the horde campaign, win the battle at Dazar’alor, convince a horde leader to fight the horde warchief leading to the horde losing one leader and one warchief for no lost for the alliance. They also won both warfront.

The alliance won way to much in this expansion to whine about not wining enough.

But of course alliance player will try to make it look like all alliance win are somehow not win… And horde somehow win by losing their city…

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It’s already been confirmed Alliance won both warfronts, and the battle at ICC forcing the Horde to withdraw. There are other Alliance victories. But those are the two off the top of my head.

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Hey now, let’s be fair here! We “won” a completely blighted Undercity while the Horde successfully escaped and didn’t have countless civilians burn to death!

Also, we won the warfronts, which means we don’t lose territory we already held!

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Imagine putting in the effort to type all this and being wrong.

All because of muh horde bias

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The night elf still manage to beat 2 horde race at darkshore… They still have enough people.

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Typo

No they didn’t, they did literally nothing but waste resources invading it so Sylvanas could just destroy it and live to tell about it.

So put the Horde back on even ground with them

Lol what a joke of a ‘victory’, the Alliance lose a racial leader and don’t even really get the credit for killing Rastakhan since it is implied his deal with Bwonsamdi all but guaranteed his death.

It’s a victory against the Zandalari which ends up being a victory for the Horde overall

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Classic is where Alliance is strongest, it’s the ‘dead faction’ in retail because of the slow drain over the years.

In Vanilla, Alliance was actually a lot more popular, no one but the hardcore players wanted to play the ‘ugly monster races’, and Horde was in dire need of players.

Then The Burning Crusade came out, white humans with long ears and green eyes were added to the Horde, with an overpowered AoE silence racial to boot.

Draenei were recieved as monstrously ugly, despite Blizzard wanting Alliance to have it’s ‘brute race’, overall a failure, they are the least played original race to this day. Female ones you can find, sure, but male draenei are rare as hell.

The only people who roll them are furries, or chicks with a bulge in the loins. Strange folk, must be from RP servers. I’m sure you’ve seen all the art at this point.

Tons of people rerolled from Alliance, stayed put with their new Horde human mains, and the rest is history.

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The alliance basically won every single aspect of BFA other than the war of thorns.

alliance won at UC
alliance won at BoD
alliance won at darkshore
alliance won in the war campaign
alliance won all warfronts.

all the alliance did in this expansion is win.

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You Elves had it coming and you know it.

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Elves then?

Why you used that description is like saying Draenei are tall, thin, blue Orcs.

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It’s been ‘confirmed’ that Darnassus is destroyed and the Night Elves are basically homeless in Stormwind because I can log in and see it. Blizzard can ‘confirm’ the Alliance beat the Horde in every expansion and it means s–t all to me because I play World of Warcraft the game, not Blizzard’s word of mouth conjecture.

As for the battle at ICC like I don’t get how you can say that with a straight face. Horde ‘won’ against the Alliance by destroying entire capital cities and chunks of a playable races population but Alliance ‘won’ a rock paper scissors in who gets to see Tirion Fordring beat the Lich King while he basically one shot us?

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That’s not how lore works. WoW is a multi-media franchise, transcending just the game by including vital and necessary lore in books, comics, novellas, cinematics and even music.

If you’re going to argue lore and victories, then you must also take into account lore not in the game or immediately presented at face value. If we want a rich and accurate understanding of warcraft’s vast universe, we must be willing to do our homework.

The Chronicle series has established many Horde and Alliance victories, both against major forces that would seek to annihilate Azeroth and each other. If you don’t wish to recognize it, that’s fine, but then that means you can’t really talk about it either.

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Hate to break it to you but you didn’t win WC2 either.

Horde defeated themselves and you cleaned up what we left behind.

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Blizz devs literally said that Alliance won the war in BfA. Take it up with them.

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Because it’s quite obvious by the overwhelming popularity of them that most players wanted them as a self-insert human race. They even have the correct skin colors, at least if you’re lucky.

Humans are the most popular race on the Alliance by far.

Once Blood Elves came out, Horde population skyrockets. I won’t see them as elves, just Horde humans and nothing more. There’s too many of them, and there always has been since their inception.

“Blood Elves” my bony butt. Arthas clearly didn’t kill nearly enough.

Meanwhile Blizzard announces “Non-white humans!” to bring some of us back to retail and to the Alliance.

Sorry Blizz, way too little, way too late, and it doesn’t fit the the lore now anyway, it’s just weird now. Black humans are only getting recogized as a race in WoW in 2019-2020?

Where are the Black Vrykul? Huh? Explain me that one?

Humans in this game, by design, are Caucasian only. It sucks, but I had to go play Tauren instead because they felt more representative of me.

Would be nice to play a character that represented myself from 2004, but I was not considered the demographic, I guess.

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“Have Mercy”

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Alliance didn’t WIN anything since we failed both our set out objectives
1.Capture Lorderan
2.Kill/Arrest Sylvanas

From a technical point of view Lorderan was Alliance territory, which the Horde claimed as their own then ended up destroying. It’d be like if Horde captured Darnassus in Classic Wow, then after 7 expansions when we try to take it back they destroy it and Alliance consider it a ‘victory’ because they declared it as their own land.

See this makes no sense to me, the others I can see the confusion because there was actually a possibility of Alliance winning, with the goal Alliance set out to do,“Beat up the Zandalari so hard they are of no use to the Horde/ don’t seek to join them” I can never imagine them succeeding at. Like no crap the Zandalari are going to join the Horde, this is another ‘Alliance victory’ that only helps the Horde more then anything.

More like they unlost at Darkshore, which is meaningless anyway because now the Horde are apparently on peaceful terms with the Alliance it’s not like they’d be holding it anyway

Really? What’s our prize? What do the Alliance gain, what does the Horde lose that they didn’t destroy themselves.

But at the end of the day, all that is meaningless because all the Alliance ‘wins’ is territory that belongs to them anyway

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