LMAO did this make you feel better???
I feel bad when I play my Horde toons because of all the FOTM posers who switched to be on the dominant side in PVE and PVP.
A. Alliance didnāt choose to get out numbered to get this quest lol.
B. I donāt call afking in a warfront to be any more effort if more at all from going out and trying to pvp against people. And why are all these horde afk that makes it so easy? I can say the horde I sneak up on are actively engaged in a quest or something when I kill them ;).
C. Oh I think it should be available for both sides, despite how itād go against itās name, but I just think itās funny how everyone forgets that the jump start on gear happened with the horde for the first raid and they told everybody to suck it up. But I was comparing the first week to the first week. If the alliance only got this quest going forward forever, itās not a reasonable expectation that everyone is going to quit horde enough to ever shift the scales.
Nah I didnāt say it to make me feel better. I said it to make you real Alliance pvpers feel worse! We need you real pvpers on the Alliance side to stand up and say enough is enough. All the Horde can do while we are getting camped by multiple raids is to mock the keyboard turners doing it. Iām getting camped as we speak! The good news is that I think that I died too fast for more than 20-30 of them to tag me! Iām typing while I auto-run. Again! Or was that Again x4? Clapping back here is all we have left when we die in 2 globals! Donāt blame me. Blame Blizz!
I know that Iām being flippant, but it really is funny from the Horde perspective. Itās just really questionable game play that has enraged the Horde in game. Itās so silly. Why you ask? Because we can just turn off war mode. Thatās all we have to do to stop this madness! So, in the end, this was just a bribe to bad Alliance players. Good players were already going to get gear, but Blizz is rewarding bad players for destroying the game for the Horde. Wow.
Itās just not a good idea. Iāve played EQ from the beginning, and I played with EQ devs. Some of my EQ friends became Blizz devs. Some of my EQ friends/guildies are actually NPCs in WoW. Iāve seen a lot of mistakes by devs. Things that they never could have considered. This mistake ranks up there just because it has so thoroughly broken game play. I should point out that Iām not actually mad. Things happen. Blizz will change it back sooner rather than later. But the devs need to know that this is making people mad. Otherwise, they canāt fix it. I rarely post here, but I saw more complaining about world pvp last night than people complaining about that Laminaria bug on normal. And that fight was kind of buggy last night.
In any case, if you are a good Ally pvper, you know that what I wrote is true. Allies are generally pretty good in BGs, arenas, and world pvp. The people that we are fighting right now in world pvp, however, are people who suddenly turned on their pvp because of the ridiculous incentives. They are REALLY bad at pvp. Not all of them, of course, but definitely the majority. I admit that it was fun to slaughter so many of them with just my arena partner for a while, but the Alliance numbers are just getting out of hand. Too many Allies have learned about the 400 loot. Itās gotten to the point of making world pvp almost unplayable on the Horde side even for people who have played MMOs since EQ. We are literally spending 50 minutes out of 60 getting camped just to get 5 minutes (if we are extremely lucky) to fight back. Thatās not ok. Sorry.
It has to make the real Ally pvpers as angry as the Horde pvpers. Real Alliance pvpers are also being deprived of world pvp. I hate to rain on your parade, but most of us Horde players are having to decide whether to turn off world pvp. I just turned mine off for the first time in a long time. If you think that that is good for either faction, then weāll have to agree to disagree.
Oh and I have over 350,000 kills on my Horde toons. I have a grand total of 0 world kills as an Ally. I donāt betray my faction. But itās so bad now that Iām just going to pve with my EQ friends until this is over. I havenāt done pve since Overlord Mata Muram in EQ. Do you see what Blizz is doing to us world pvpers?! Iām a friggin raider again! Thanks, Blizz!
There is one positive to come out of this. Until now, my wife used to give me and my two sons a lot of crap for world pvp. When we were grouped, she only let us kill max levels when there were equal numbers. She does only competitive pvp because she says that ganking is āmean.ā Now, however, even she agrees that itās ok to KoS Allies. Oh $%$#% yes! Finally! Blizz turned my wife into a world pvper! This really is great news in my house. My kids and I canāt wait till Blizz ends the incentives. We just got another healer for world pvp. And sheās willing to gank. Sheās played way higher in arenas than me or my sons, too.
You see, this was all just a clever ruse by Blizz to get us Horde players REALLY mad at the Alliance. It worked. Iām not mad, but my wifeās mad. Thatās at least worth 3 or 4 of me being mad. The problem is that weāll still be Horde when all of this is done. Weāll still be grinding you under our boots in world pvp. Youāll still be Allies, remembering the good old days when you used to stomp us for your free 400 gear. Iād rather be me, a loyal member of the Horde, than you any day. Iām actually having more fun in this expansion than Iāve had in a long time. Soon enough it will be time again to slay you all! I even like the raids. The Blizz devs, despite people complaining, make some really fun raids. Iāll be better geared when I get to turn war mode back on to start getting revenge. World pvp is coming back soon enough!
Btw, itās not real pvp without ribaldry and corpse runs! Oh wait. Ribaldry and keyboard turners! Thatās what I meant. We canāt ever forget about the hordes and hordes of keyboard turners unleashed upon the true Horde!
The difference, and itās a big difference, is that Alliance players were still able to play the game while the Horde was getting that war front gear. Horde players, however, truly canāt play large parts of the game right now because there is so much incentive to kill Horde players in world pvp. So yeah, the war front made you guys a little less powerful with respect to gear. This new quest, by contrast, has made world pvp, for all intents and purposes, impossible for the Horde. That is why this quest is an even bigger problem than the war front gear, and that is why, as you rightly say, itās just a matter of time (a very short period of time) before this gets changed.
Btw, I completely agree that the war mode head start was not a good idea either.
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Itās really weird, I wish my Goblin DK was at 120 because I keep seeing that the horde are out there getting slain en masse but as an alliance player I usually see about the same amount of horde and alliance in given areas since the sharing change.
Before the sharing change and the quest (which may have been the difference and maybe we doubled down too soon.) I had to super sneaky with world quests especially in drustvar because there would be good numbers of horde running around in parties together and Iām more of solo world quest kinda guy lol.
That being said, itās said enough that even though I havenāt personally seen it, I know for sure itās going on somewhere lol.
You make a good point. I should point out that, until very recently, it was only during the faction invasions that were problematic for me. Itās pretty easy to camp us during that time because the Horde goes for our tiny, tiny incentives (service medals and conquest if you have war mode on). The Allies thus know exactly where weāll be. That is why this has completely broken the faction invasions for those of us who actually like world pvp.
At other times, the Allies canāt know exactly where groups of us will be, making it much easier for us to world pvp on fair terms. In fact, Iāve loved every second of world pvp in BFA until this quest brought the hordes of Allies to our shores. And even then, the only time Iāve ever been camped outside of faction invasion times is when I log out dead at a faction area. The raid today was in the same spot, several hours after the faction invasion, camping Horde. It does seem, however, to be getting worse fast as more casual Allies find out about the free loot.
I kinda feel like the narrator in Iron Maidenās Run to the Hills at this point. I love that song, so itās kind of a funny experience. Just so many Allies keep coming to take our Tauren land! Holy %^#$%! But itās ok. Iām just going to go raid, to come back with better gear after this has been changed, and to get back down the business of killing as many of you as I can!
385 change means Horde will probably never actually get the quest or 25%.
Horde and Alliance had access to the exact same gear, so your comparison isnāt even close. Now, if the free 400 rotated every week, and next week they put a 360 ilvl or whatever req on it, that would be comparable- and Iām pretty sure most Horde would pick āfree 400 ilvl gear, but you need to be 360 ilvlā over āno gear, period, but Alliance gets it every weekā.
That free week of Arathi also only affected people who were woefully undergeared at the start of the xpac- this affects literally everyone, as even top 100 mythic raid guilds are switching factions for it.
Thereās really no comparison between āboth sides are equal, but thereās a small hurdle for both factions that affected only alts after one got a hurdle free weekā and āAlliance gets a massive advantage every single week over the Hordeā.
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Allaince is only outnumbered by like 6% of the total population, itās 54%/46% split. You guys just donāt turn on WM and horde do, Iām not even sure why you need the reward at all.
Horde havenāt had access to 30% increased azurite and 375 gear every week for 5-6 weeks before the ilvl 400 gear, on average the standard alliance player should be more geared the the average horde player. Including neck ilvl and gear gotten from weekly.
The bad thing about this is it completely invalidates PVP and PVE ratings in all ways.
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Not even complex math they just dont understand they have a huge advantage.
this is the biggest bullcrap ever why do the ali get this and the horde doesnāt i only play horde so this is the biggest bullcrap ever all these pvp buffs and good gear that is just messed up blizz why do you hate the horde if you give the ali this then the horde should have it as well
Uhhhh. The same held true for the Horde from the beginning of BFA until the QQ storm of the past week. The Horde had a no risk 10% Buff so that brought out all the PVE Raiders looking to min/max.
Thereās always been a very small number of players who actually enjoy World PVP.
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Youāre looking at character data.
Iām talking about players.
All the salty horde tears filling this thread make me so happy. Welcome to how the expansion has been from an Alliance perspective since day 1. /popcorn
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The funny thing is the population of horde and alliance players are about even, itās like 54 to 46% or something like that. Allaince just doesnāt have the guts to turn on WM and horde do, at least until they get unfair rewards anyhow.
Youāre thinking of ācharacter populationā. Not player population.
Player pop by activity is closer to 70:30 Horde advantage based on leaderboards and raid logs. Itās why we keep getting the weekly quest for WPvP, and for a few hours every tuesday the Alliance overpowers the Horde.
You get a ton of horde alts logging in for the quest, who then go back to their horde mains for the rest of that day, and the other 6 days of the week.
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good, hopefully they remember to leave WM on on all those chars and turn it off on there horde ones, not that itād help much, since there nerfing the rewards to. Ah well, 8 days left on subscription, and Rise of the fallen might be out next year, just need to find something to do till then.
Good.
The game needs less horde.
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This is Bull crap. Iām seriously thinking of quitting WOW and going back to Final Fantasy Online.
I pay for a great game experiance not to be penalized because I choose a certain faction. I would like 400 Lv gear too for killing Alliance.