If Drek rush fails more than twice, just afk out in cave and let Horde win?
Are the high rankers just so anti-pvp in that bg that every minute past 7 that the game drags on , it causes a collective meltdown in the Discord chats or something?
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Itās not a meltdown. Itās only about honor per hour. Believe me, pretty much all or at least all decent PMs know that we can easily wipe you the same way you wiped us and reset the game. However, no one is willing to do it, lest their honor/ hour gets whacked. I would rather occasionally wipe the Horde vermin and win, thereby discouraging similar tactics in the future. However, I am always in the minority on that, so yeahā¦
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just dont matter. move on to the next please.
QQing about how others play is stupidā¦
Those types of fights would make the bg so much more fun, but if itās all about honor per hour then yeah, I suppose giving up and insta queueing to continue the 7 min steamroll is the most āefficientā way to go about itā¦ Ridiculous, but I guess thereās the difference between a 30 min queue and 1 second queue.
Isnāt it interesting that often times āHonorā is actually about doing the most dishonorable things?
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This for sure. Thereās usually a heirarchy of measures that involve winning quickly, losing quickly, or sticking it to the horde when weāre tired of their bullsht. I wish the third option happened more tbh. But at the top of the heirarchy on alliance is always honor/hour, and by now most people understand that. So when a the call is made to dump a potential 30 min game, the mob agrees without much friction.
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so i guess the correct counter is to drag the game out even longer and make you guys take deserter debuff instead? I donāt mind hour long avs with campfires and fishing. Iām sure you guys do though.
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Pretty much yes.
There are different mindsets in premades.
Majority of āpremadesā are no different than PUGs with coms, because thatās essentially what they are. But, higher tier plays differently than lower tier āpremadesā.
At the higher tiers, itās usually agreed that Honor/hr is more important than winning. Could they Defend and wipe you guys and try going back and forth? Sure, but why? Once towers are capped, and LTs are killed, is the extra bonus honor for the win worth another 20+ minutes? Usually No. If there doesnāt appear to be a resolve in the game that benefits that Honor/hr, then yeah, could be afk, or wait in cave till you guys move along, grab honor and let it finish.
Thatās just how Higher tier premades function, and thatās why people are going against 1mil - 2mil Honor a week. You donāt have to like or agree with it, but this is the reason behind it.
If you really want Alliance PvP, wait for AB. AV is just an honor grind for many.
Thats definitely what one premade did yesterday.
Our new strategy is simple, āif you see a premade, everyone defends until we make them quit.ā
Itās highly effective. I forgot to upload my screenshots Iāll do that at lunch. Iāve never been more proud of random Horde PUGs.
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The goals and tactics of 2 sides with such different queue times are completely different. Now, usually before I go to bed, after my last premade match, I like to immediately queue in to a PUG AV, so I dont have to wait for the right group with my premade. Occasionally, I will get 2k in a matter of minutes and then afk out and turn in for the night. If I join a busted AV, then I just afk out immediately and no harm no foul. From what Iāve seen, the vast majority of Alliance PUGs are sad and pathetic. This is because the vast majority of the better players are in premades. Ally pugs are mostly on 60% mounts and are useless.
I mean, I saw something amusing the other day.
Horde is DB, so some strategic pug genius goes āUse your trinkets and wipe them all outā. The funny part is that he links a lvl 2 trinket. This is the reality of ally pug AVs.
Here is something I find amusing though. When Horde used to lose almost every AV in the beginning, and also in vanilla, they always screamed that AV is just a PVE game, not real PVP, so who cares if Alliance is better at it.
Now, suddenly this is PVP?
Pleaseā¦ sit down and shut up.
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Would it discourage you? I am puzzled why anyone thinks this would work.
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This would be just one part of what I have in mind. The other parts are not up for discussion here.
Almost spit my coffee reading this. You do realize you are judging the pvp skills of these pugs with pve standards?
Iād argue that pugs are much better than you in regards to actual pvp skills, since they actually engage and fight us.
The few occasions Iāve had to pick one of you helmets premades apart on a 1v1 made me realize how truly horrible you are at pvp, unsurprisingly, because you literally spend 17hrs a day not pvping.
Gear doesnt fix bad
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All that icky PvP messing up your BG? Itās called playing the game instead of farming it.
You think avoiding PvP makes you better at it? 
Kind of hard for them to catch up when most games start 10 v 40. Or worse.
Pleaseā¦ take your own advice.
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Ally pugs being bad is self inflected, if you guys didnāt run premades more āskilledā alliance would be mixed into those games. Games wouldnāt start 15v40. Which is an extremely unfair advantage for the horde.
Horde let you guys win at the start cause we had 7 min queues and were out honoring you guys each gameā¦dummy. But as your PVE all-stars stopped queuing is where the queues started getting longer.
Are you sure about your facts in vanilla? Cause your talking to someone that ranked pug in vanilla to 11 and 13 as alliance. The games were pretty balanced, but the zerg always existed. Only difference back then was alliance pugs managed to zerg Derk without a premade or voice. I saw a feel server premades by 1.12 that would rip ally apart but they was few and far between.
Honestly, get rid of your elitist attitudes, those horde PUGS that beat you HAVE people with lvl 2 trinkets and 60% mounts. I remember playing playing against your premade a few times, I remember beating your premade with one of our guys asking how long it took to cap the flag. Each side has their noobs, its just how you chose to treat them, you guys flat out donāt want to help them.
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Itās probably fun to tease them like that, but the harsh reality is the original honor system is a horror show and they are doing what they feel they have to do gain ranks. If your honor per hour gets bogged down in a turtle, someone is going to pass you on the ladder.
Itās a stupid system, but it has nothing to do with being āanti-pvpā itās just the harsh reality of the ladder system.
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I watched a rank 13 mage not dead zone a hunter and died to aim shot cause he decided he didnāt want to block. This was right at the start of the game so he had all his CDās.
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Itās just another raid for them, Iām sure some of them mistaken Drek for Rag every once and a while.
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I like all the braindead pug horde pvp allstars in here clamoring over the few premades they manage to make leave.
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Turtling is easy, effective, requires zero coordination. You recall and spam res at nearby gys and are protected by pve npcs. Your whole raid dies 2-3x before finally the alliance run out of mana with no forward gy.
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Alliance only leave because of honor per hour not because youāre some gods gift to pvp. If alliance premades decided to fight back against a turtle at BEST horde would have a ~40 minute loss as we slow roll you back.
You guys have no clue how easy you have it right now.
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