Alliance atrocity, out of character?

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Today i was thinking if it is even possible that an alliance character commit something at the level of teldrassil or worse.

would that be possible without some serious character assassination?
what needs to happen for that to become a possibility or that at least, don’t completely ruin forever that character (if is not ruined already but that is totally subjective)

  • it would be derek killing mama produmoore and flip floping jaina again (a flip flop would be in character at this point?)

  • and would that destroy her character and literally contradict her entire arc in bfa where apparently they finally decided what to do with her?

  • what about genn or tyrande? would they be able to do something like that as some sort of desperate measure?
    or tyrande simply wanting revenge?

For some reason i forgot about alleria!, would she do something like that to exterminate the orcs?

or what about anduin after losing the war is forced to say “we have no choice, we go into MAD mode!” (Mutual assured destruction) and press the red nuclear button?

or maybe a more interesting question, would this destroy alliance identity forever?
we would become like the “monsters” that we fight?

what kind of repercussions would this lead us? alliance characters turned into villans 24/7, alliance cities raided or alliance characters actually killed in raids?.

i hear that many people find the alliance boring for the lack of conflict.
but at the same time, when an alliance character tries to be that conflict, the hate that it receives is amazingly high from the same alliance players who say that the alliance is boring. (obviously everyone have their opinion but that is what i saw)

would this be an interesting arc to follow where this is the time for the alliance to “find themselves” when they are not longer the victims
and rather be the victimaries?

and the main question, if said alliance character do something like that, how the alliance players would react? would they accept it regardless of what character is and support that action,or they will count the days until they can have the head in a pike of that character?

What do you guys think?

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I feel the best way to have this done in the current climate would be to have the Alliance press retaliation too far. Similar to Admiral Rogers opening up on the swimming orcs or the Goblin ship barrage.

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Tyrande already stated that she regrets not killing Saurfang during the War of Thorns so when she learns of Anduin’s actions in releasing him she will start a Civil War over it.

Alleria is known to hate Undead so when she learns of Umbric’s Undead Rezan as well as Anduin’s part in raising Calia as a Light Undead alongside Faol and a Naaru she might start something up as well!

Anduin, Genn, Malfurion, Shaw, Umbric and Halford would be one Faction in the Alliance while Alleria, Tyrande, Turalyon and Maiev would be another!

Both Alliance and Horde will tear themselves apart!

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Atrocity being stupid or out of character has never stopped them before. The only question is, who will it be to take the drama-bullet? They bleached all the fun out of Genn and Tyrande’s ‘vengeance’ is trading places with the Forsaken every few weeks in Darkshore.

My hope is for the Draenei to continue their corrupt-for-any-reason streak and have the MU Lightforged get all Deus Vult. And not just because it would mean more Mah’har antics, but that is a compelling reason.

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The problem is that their are several Alliance characters that this wouldn’t be out of character for. Genn and Maiev coming to mind. In addition to that, both the Void Elves and the Dark Iron seem to operate with a “Ends justify the Means” philosophy, so there is an interesting way they could take that.

Basically, the Alliance has the tools, it’s just using them that seems to elude us at this time.

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Being an alliance of races I think if it wasn’t a unified decision by them as a whole multiple racial leaders would go “what the hell guys?” if someone tried/did commit something on par with genocide.

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Short answer, no. The key part is, ‘on the level of Teldrassil’ in that question. Are there Alliance characters that could commit nasty acts in the war. But, intentionally and calculatingly burning a defeated city full of only civilians is a step to far for any of them to believably take.

I could see some of them being really brutal in the war. For instance, I could see Moira having her Dark Iron summon wild elementals in a Horde stronghold, even ones with a civilian population. Others like Maiev would definitely be willing to do something that risks Horde civilian population as well. There are several leaders I could see faced with Horde force surrendering choosing no quarter and killing every last one. So, a dark choice and actions that are at best questionable, very possible. But going full level of Teldrassil, I just can’t see it.

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An easy option would be to use the Vindicar as a weapon and attack a Horde city, killing a lot of civilians.

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The Dark Iron clan is the answer my friends.
Moira takes no guff.
She will have her Shaman perform a ritual under Ogrimarr and collapse it into lava.

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Mate, if I was canon I would destroy the sunwell without hesitation- could some of you horde fellas spare some chaotic evil? Even if turned me into a weekly loot piñata, it’d be worth it.

Now in all seriousness: -the most likely to do it = Tyrande. Only seconds after becoming the night warrior her powers were pretty extreme + there is this one late at the end of the quest about “sating the NW’s thirst” or something. So yeah, she’s never gonna calm down.

-the one i want = Anduin. So far, the only “hard” choice Anduin had to make was freeing Saurfang. Andy boy doesn’t necesarily want to win, he just wants to stop the war so that both factions can heal. Now, this is all well and good and perfectly IC for anduin but so far he’s never had to do “what a king must do”. I want to see what will anduin do if the war doesnt stop once sylvanas is out.

(lets be real here, after DRAENOR IS FREE, it prolly will be over.)

Now about the other ones that WONT commit atrocities:

-Jaina. Shes chill now and another flip flop would be just… UGH.

-Genn. He’s about 80% a different man from his W2 days. He admitted forsaken were ppl in BtS and they even defanged his lines to Anduin in the NW quests. The worse i can see him do is pull a bloodblorne and pour worgen blood on SW’s water supply if he fears sylvanas is about to bend humanity over and spank them.

-Alleria: She’s more powerful than umbric, yet her hands are cleaner, i dont think its likely (given what we’ve seen so far)

-Umbric: While the dude has done horrible stuff to his enemies without batting an eye, he has a solid -if twisted- sense of morality. Sides, he wants the velves to find a place in the alliance, bad PR would go against that.

But the biggest problem is the following: But we’ve already seen that Horde losses are given a minute fraction of the narrative weight that Alliance losses get. Look at UC, losing it should have been a major blow on forsaken morale and ability to wage war in general… but the most we get is one dude lamenting over his garden, while on the flip side of the coin we had two novellas, a cinematic, and questiline coldly designed to tug at your heartstrings about how horrible teldrassil was.

even I if were to personally blow up the Sunwell and slam dunk Liadrin on the remaining puddle it would be UC/brill II - swept under the rug as soon as the quest is turned in.

Which is one of the major failings i can nail to the current writers. The horde team refuses (as much as they possibly can) to write the horde as losing, and in return the alliance team writes the other team as irredeemable, absolute *****

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How the hell do you take ‘No relevant story is written about things the Horde cares about’ and conclude ‘the Horde just doesn’t want to be seen losing. Bias.’?

Christ.

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Nice to see you skipped the part about the UC

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My post was three lines long. Reading is hard, but I think you can safely conclude that ‘No relevant story is written about things the Horde cares about’ refers to the story about the loss of Undercity and Brill.

I mean, not only did I not skip the part about UC, that’s the only subject I could feasibly be responding to in the context of replying to your post.

Horde stories being dropped the moment they aren’t in service to antagonism is not Horde bias, unless you somehow think vulnerability or story that adds emotional depth to a character is a punishment. In which case I… can’t help you.

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oh, i have no doubt about that.
my question would be, what character will be “destroyed” for that to happen.

i know that we have some of that. characters willing to get their hands dirty,being for the right or wrong reasons (revenge) or (win the war and protect) but even them don’t want to go that far.
maybe umbric who for now is winning the #morallygraymane in bfa.
waging a psychological war to his enemies, he wants to destroy their morale, just like… a banshee that i know.

i agree, she is my fav character by far for years, but i rather see her dead before seeing another flip.yes, it has come to that point.

indeed, apparently the old wolf is letting his revenge go finally. he has been one of the MVPS in bfa.

While i don’t think she is exactly… “good” her intentions seems to be far more morally right than others, maybe she neither wants to become like her sister, even if she manipulates the evilest magic in the universe, but a weapon is just a weapon. it depends in how you use it i can respect that. just like umbric.

this also other of the big problems, the horde team just assume that horde players are already motivated not only to start a genocide war, but also destroy things “Fur Di Hurd!”
they seem to think that their players are a hivemind that will go with whatever the writers decide.
and that we, alliance players “don’t are motivated” despite gilneas or theramore. because “We ArE The GoOd GuYs!” “We DoNt LiKe ReVengE!”

dude, you may want to re-read what he wrote, he NEVER said that it was “Bias!” he only said that the writers have this concept of their players that is, at least inaccurate.

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Hmmm…

lulz

If he isn’t outright possessed I do not see this happening.

Ever.

No matter what the Horde does first.

Genn and Turalyon came around to seeing the undead as people so they are also no-goes.

I don’t really see Alleria going that far either. Not if Turalyon and Arator are around to influence her.

I could maybe see Tyrande, but even that’s a bit of stretch.

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The Alliance wouldn’t commit and atrocity! They are the hero of the game!

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An atrocity “on the level of Teldrassil” is implausible for the Alliance to pull off, and in a weird way the Horde. If for no other reason then I just don’t think we are going to see any more faction capitals, along with their associated zones, being obliterated this expansion.

There’s perhaps a plausible scenario where Tyrande tries to pull off something at that level. But I don’t think it’s likely she would succeed.

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who exactly do you think drops the “relevant stories written about things the Horde cares about” stories in favor what we’ve seen.

I can imagine it now. Afrasiabi (or some other dude, idk) working quietly in his office, thinking that since the nelves will have the NW questline the forsaken should have one dealing with the repercussions of loosing the place they’ve lived, died and unlived in…

but suddenly!

Golden roundhouse kicks the door in, sheevspins to the desk (wearing her anduin themed cloak, ofc) and slams Afrasiabi’s head against the desk and goes: “Bad writer! You will write about the dinos in zandalar and you will like it!”

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The Alliance doing anything bad as on the level of Teldrassil?

I wished this was the case before Burning of Teldrassil, but now that is not the case anymore.

To me personally it’s not that I just don’t think it’s possible but that it will end up being pointless.

After the burning it would only show that the only time the Alliance is able to commit to such atrocities is unless the Horde is there to do it first.

The best thing I can think of that Alliance would do to cause something on the level of Teldrassil before the Horde does is though a mistake or incompetence which case not anyone on the Alliance would ever desire.

Edit: My writing is atrocious.

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I don’t understand how this is relevant to what I’ve said. I don’t think it matters who makes that call.

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