Just the question in title. I read an article about a F2P mmo, that looks possibly really great. From where does all this content really get paid from? Is it all micro-transactions? For WoW is it just the extra frosting and cherry on top?
I know there is probably some streamer or streamers with opinions on this, but would like to hear actual player input. (Before you say it, I know, GD isn’t considered greatest place for these answers, but I’ve seen many intelligent replies on other topics interspersed with the snark.)
Depends on what you mean by ‘winning’. Even if you buy the best BoEs (Which, by the way, there are significantly less in DF than other expansions) you still have to do the content which typically don’t care about your ilvl if you can’t do them.
I think sold runs still exist, but they’re having to be a lot more sneaky about them now, if memory serves.
Well what F2P game are you talking about? Each one has different layers of monetization. WoW is generally not considered P2W, but you can technically trade money for gold and then use that gold to buy services from other players that help you accomplish your goals.
lol - kinda thought as much … it’s just weird. I mean I may buy a token sometimes to help with one piece of gear, but that’s it. Oh, did buy a mount once.
Just this new Throne and Liberty coming out soon looks really great, but I’ve never played an f2p game thinking they probably aren’t any good if you don’t pay a sub to help with creating great content.
You know, I’ll never understand how anyone can feel any satisfaction with “titles” and achievements if one hasn’t done the work.
Win… what? a title or a look? I’ve seen so many people pay to get certain titles or mounts. A quick scan… it’s easy to see “this guy paid for this lol what a chum” I remember a dude paid a lot of money to get some very high PVP title and he paraded with that title for some days then he got laughed at everywhere he went. He quit. Well at least he stopped playing that toon or transferred.
Nowadays it’s even easier to see if he actually earned the thing or not. Quick lookup and oh hey so you pay for your stuffs. Do you afk or follow? lol
Repeat after me. An MMO is Paid 2 Win purely depending on the individual’s definition of “Winning”
If someone thinks having the max achievable ilevel from purchasing carries/boes with gold is them winning in WoW, then yes by definition that is pay 2 win. To me that is not winning because this person will most likely not be able to do any content at that level even with the gear, simply because they were carried to that level.
Maybe winning is achieving x number of gold caps.
Maybe winning is having the top 0.5% pvp/m+ rating
Maybe winning is getting world first in raid
Maybe winning is collecting the most battlepets.
Maybe winning is being a well known figure on your server.
People that buy tokens to sell to for carries, probably aren’t “winning”. They are still losing, just with better gear and/or a title and/or an achiev.
I play a couple mobile games. By spending money, a person can gain power beyond anything a person who doesn’t spend money could accomplish. That power allows those players to top all of the leaderboards.
In WoW no matter how much I spent, I would never top a leaderboard. I would have more mounts, pets, titles, ect, but I would never be in the race for world first.
I suppose. Personally I never cared enough to pay for a carry for all the mounts/transmogs/etc. But some people do for whatever reason. But blizzard doesn’t do the GW2 thing of selling power/exp/crafting boosts. That, to me, is p2w.
it can be in the sense that people legally sell carries via gold.
you can buy M+, Heroic/Mythic raiding, and even PvP to an extent with gold. you can buy gold via tokens via real money and all legal.
you can also buy these same services illegally via real money and probably cheaper but again it is illegal and you will risk being banned; and yes people DO buy them idk anyone personally who does but i’ve seen people bragging about how much gold they have and told me they bought it from a 3rd party.
yes you can play the game without these services but those services are in the game and legal as well so yes to an extent you can actually consider it p2w. it’s not like true p2w mmorpg’s where they gate good gear or w.e. behind the cash shop but in those games they tend to be f2p so either you purchase or you spend a LONG… AF time grinding it out. that is the catch. that is why they are f2p.
the problem with any mmorpg though is you can always pay for something and yes it will be an upgrade but that doesn’t necessarily mean you will be good. say for example with PvE because not everyone does pvp content in mmorpg’s. you can buy mythic gear and have the high ilvl but without knowledge of wth you are doing with you spec/class yet alone mechanics you will still suck. every mmorpg is the same in that sense you can buy carries or gear which does help but unless the person playing puts in time to actually get better it doesn’t fully help them out. with other mmorpg’s though it’s not as bad since the mechanics are easier to understand in those games imo and the gear itself outweighs that.
That’s what I’ve always thought, and what’s the point. Yes, I have bought gear a few times over the last 9-10 years, but I’m an open-world, casual player. With other toons the gearing path was basically diminished since WoD. No biggie, I deal, just a couple times I got frustrated and impatient. And at first I thought those “carries” were to help people learn a dungeon, not do it for them. Hell, what’s the point then if you don’t know your class or the mechanics?!
p2w junk system