Lets assume Alexandros had managed to fight his way to the entrance of Naxxramas before his son betrayed and killed him. Of course he is still wielding Ashbringer.
Every creature and boss is in there, except the undead version of Alexandros as a horseman of course. Do you think the Ashbringer himself could have killed his way through Naxxramas and slain Kel’Thuzad, or which boss do you think is the one to stop him?
KT would have stopped him, and then had him raised as one of the four horsemen. Repeating the cycle.
It’d be extra juicy if this was all ingame; seeing him as a righteous NPC and then we have to fight him in the raid.
Yeah I’d agree with Pio, even with Alex got to KT, he’d be the one to stop or outright kill him before turning him to a Death Knight. As for anyone before him? Maybe Thaddius, Anub’arak, or one of the more powerful Necromancers but aside from them everyone in Nax seems pretty low tier or is likely to give way to Ashbringer.
Up there on his own and without his son stabbing him in the back? He’d probably plow his way through most quarters and deal a ton of damage in terms of high-ranking Scourge destroyed and damage done to Naxxramas’s infrastructure, but even with the Ashbringer, a 1v1 with Kel’thuzad is not looking too good in his favor.
On his own, I think he’d wipe the floor with everyone except Kel’Thuzad, assuming he didn’t exhaust himself in the process. Even against Kel’Thuzad, I think he’d have a decent chance, even if the the odds weren’t in his favor. Alexandros as the Ashbringer was incredibly powerful against undead foes, and Kel’Thuzad had to team up with his enemy Balnazzar in order to get rid of him. I think if Kel’Thuzad could have taken out Alexandros by brute force instead of conspiracy, he would have done so, so I assume that Alexandros posed a significant threat to him.
Wait, Anub’arak was in Naxx? O.o
I meant Anub’rekhan.
Honestly, can you blame me? They gave them all the same model. The naming convention didn’t help with him being distinct either.
All roaches look alike.
I’m not convinced that Ashbringer Mograine could defeat the three horsemen tbh.
I think Alexandros would have to go in with some back up. Preferably an elite squad of Scarlet Crusaders, with their ranks filled with all manner of classes, Pallies, Priests, Mages, etc. But, given his kill count and feats, I think he could take on anyone in Naxxramas, including Kel’thuzad.
And I’m not saying that because of Pally fanboy or anything, it’s just… Tirion was able to take on Arthas. And while I do feel that Tirion was a more powerful Paladin than Alexandros, I’m confident that Alexandros could take on Kel’thuzad. Maybe not Arthas himself, but pretty much anyone Arthas could throw at him.
The only issue Alexandros would face, would be the very same thing that was his downfall; The sheer unrelenting numbers he would have to face. So that’s why he would need back up.
With back up, he could lead an assault and definitely succeed. His son did it, after all. And he didn’t even have the Ashbringer. But by himself? I’m just not so sure. He may have been S tier, but even he can’t take on all of Naxxramas by himself.
Personally I thought Alexandros was an even greater Paladin than Tirion. He faced down legions of undead alone and won. Tirion, while powerful, doesnt seem to have that level of power, where he can just face down armies of scourge alone.
That was the Ashbringer that was basically vaporizing those legions of undead. It’s why it’s called the Ashbringer.
Tirion wielding Ashbringer was able to face down a legion of scourge that included an army of death knights and Arthas himself.
Edit: Alexandros is up there but I think either Tiron or Turalyon is the GOAT.
Well of course it was the sword, but Alexandros had a deep connection to the sword, not sure if Tirion had as deep of a connection. Either way, id say they were equal, if not Mograine having the slight edge over Tirion.
I remain unconvinced. It’s possible that yeah, Alexandros could have had a deeper connection to Ashbringer, but Tirion’s base was still superior to Alexandros’ base.
I still feel that Tirion with Ashbringer > Alexandros with Ashbringer. Not hating on Alexandros, he’s a bamf. Just Tirion has some super impressive feats. Like defeating Arthas, or, somehow, breaking the control the Lich King held over the Scourge forces that would become the Ebon Blade, at Light’s Hope.
Not to mention Tirion is, I think, the only Paladin to have had their connection to the Light severed by Uther, and be able to will it back.
As for base Paladins, I’d give it to Turalyon for sure. But if you gave Tirion Ashbringer, I’d have to give it to him, I think. Ashbringer is just very powerful. I’m sure Ashkandi is definitely powerful too, in its own right, but Ashbringer is kind of in its own league.
But maybe we’ll see. We haven’t seen Turalyon do all that much, personally, since his return to the lore. But he did lead the assault that ended the Burning Legion. So that’s definitely got to count for something.
Turalyon beat Orgrim, basically cast blinding light on the whole Horde, and beat down OG death Knight Teron Gorefiend, among many other impressive feats. So I agree that if you take Ashbringer out of the equation Turalyon is probably best ever.
But Tirion smashing Frostmourne is the single greatest paladin feat, IMO.
Edit: Then again, if you give Ashbringer to Uther, does anyone think Arthas would have stood a chance?