After playing classic for 15 minutes

Mana management sucks and I hate reading quest.

The majority of people that play Classic aren’t playing because it has “better rpg elements.” The QoL changes in retail are amazing.

The majority of people who play classic play it because it isn’t held back by garbage systems, time gating, theme park game play, horrible class design, horrible gearing design, and a monstrous amount of RNG.

I rather play WotLK or MoP but for many people, including myself, Classic is the only version of the game they can legally play that isn’t a complete trash can of a joke.

I bet you enjoy playing most major gear grinding games out there.
I am just a lore fan.

Define major gear grinding games.

I mostly enjoy playing PvP in any game. I love PvP in WoW, I love League of Legends, I love CSGO, Destiny 2 PvP, Rust…

I do like grinding game a bit, not to the extent retail makes it where it feels like chores.

I don’t enjoy lore… well it’s not thats I don’t enjoy it, I just don’t care. I’ve never played a game for the story I just want to play competitively.

PoE, TL3, D3

There are tracking options in your minimap to remove quest markers and POI’s. I’m not in game atm, so I can’t check the exact settings, but if you explore your minimap tracking options, it’s in there. I’m not sure if that extends to the world map, or there may be a setting on the world map to uncheck tracking for quest objectives, or something similar.

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I honestly have never heard of those.

If you like story games I have a question for you. Did you play and enjoy Skyrim? I think the Elder Scrolls games are the only ones I actually enjoyed in terms of story. I’m actually looking forward to the new coming out in like 10483992 years.

Just did that, untracked all quest. Although they will be automatically tracked when you completed, either on purpose or by accident, one of their requirements, you’ve already done the exploration part for that quest when you start completing it, so it works great now.

Imma look into the minimap setting now. I want to get rid of that those arrows.

Kaurmine being tactical: I’ll just carry a lot of water and play normally :rofl:

Questie :man_shrugging:

Turn off PoI or whatever it’s called in your tracking, don’t need a mod.

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there were quest markers in vanilla.

No thanks. I don’t want to run around for two hours just to give up and search the web where some nice peep gave me some coordinates, that I can’t even get to without downloading an app.

I like Skyrim, but I’ve never finished it. The storytelling is… more or less similar to dark souls kind of combining pieces together. So it quited. But yeah, I love medieval magic/ dragon/ knight/ demon stories.

WhAT? Never heard of Diablo 3 and Path of Exile? You just remind me that Blizzard pulled David Kim from D4 to WoW, seems like Blizzard is going all out making WoW a complete grinding game. Truly sad.

I went back to EQ for a bit (an even earlier version of WoWs combat) and it really take me back. I know most people would find it boring today, but here are a few of the things I liked I;; go both EQ and Classic)

EQ:

  • Auto attacks mean something (as a warrior I used attack, kick and or bash).
  • With the slow combat you can actually follow the damage text
  • I like the flavor text (a spider attacks you with venom dripping from it’s jaws)

WoW

  • I still liked the slow attacks (but much faster than EQ)
  • I liked the auto attacks like wanding (low level mage with a wand = awesome)
  • I like that even gear with no attributes was important. 50 armor really is no different than +1000 strength because in the end it’s only our perception is different
  • I like buying a set of white armor, use it on toon a, when toon a moves to new area, send it to toon b to use.

I can honestly say I like the older styles better, but I am just not enough into it to play solo. I am no longer social enough to join other people anymore.

Not going to lie, Classic and TBC were hands down the best expansions ever. I know I complain about convenience on retail because I have a 2-year-old but literally the best parts of Classic and TBC are the limited resources and vagueness of everything. It encourages you to explore and use your brain a little bit to figure things out.

I will say this, I was in the medical field for a little while. One of the last stages of development is the prefrontal cortex of the brain, which develops late teens to mid 20s. Why this is important is because some people believe video games are a nuisance and don’t teach/help you with anything in life. But, if you think about it, the difficulty of Classic and TBC force your brain to work, so even teenagers and young adults could ideally develop faster and/or even become “smarter” than their friends/family because they were actively figuring things out. Retail gives everything away, for the most part, therefore it does not encourage any type of effort to help with that brain development.

Prefrontal cortex: helps people set and achieve goals. It receives input from multiple regions of the brain to process information and adapts accordingly. The prefrontal cortex contributes to a wide variety of executive functions, including: focusing one’s attention; predicting the consequences of one’s actions; anticipating events in the environment; impulse control; managing emotional reactions; planning for the future; coordinating and adjusting complex behaviors (I can’t do A until B happens).

I would say the developers of Classic and TBC were genius.

Just tried unchecking POI, both POI and quest POI, does not remove arrows, the only way is to untrack the quest, which I like it. It makes me want to memorise the landscape so I can spend less time looking at the full map. Absolutely loving it.

I enjoy being a bit lost in a big open world. It gives me immersion, the combats and actions to me are just cherry on the top. I don’t like grinding so, I am more a questing/ PvP person. But I will still grind for stuff like mounts or transmog, only when I have nothing else to do.

Spot on, I was astonished when I got my first ever classic quest from Mordo to look for a Sarvis person in a chapel down the hill. The lack of arrows gives me a thrill to actually pay attention to where I am and the landscape.

I’m going to say the opposite. I would like to see more old-school content brought into 2021 with remastered mechanics for M+.

I didn’t play much of MoP except for the SoO patch and didn’t dabble with CM because I hated how CMs felt in terms of ilvl scaling, but I think the idea of how they remastered Scarlet Monastary and Scholomance for that expansion was brilliant.

How cool would that be if they did the same thing for Shadowlands? Like, physically revamping Scholomance into two different dungeons with live side and dead side, and making them each their own M+ dungeon with modern trash and boss mechanics. Dead Side’s layout already looks interesting for M+ for routing and Live Side could be made pretty interesting as well depending on what bosses are included. It would fit so thematically with Shadowlands as well.

I loved classic back in day and enjoy it now but I couldn’t stick with it (being older now) because I simply don’t have the time I did back then. One thing I didn’t like though was running around broke all the time. Haha

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Yeah, but where is Mankrik’s wife?

Questie! Overwhelmingly helpful addon.

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I heard she is dead but I am an undead, so who cares about orcs. :rofl:

There’s also a lot of data-mining which reveals some of this without any exploration necessary.