After 3 years of deliberate practice, I realize that this 8-word MARCO plays vengeance DH way better than MYSELF—— NERF PLEASE！

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I have been playing vengeance DH (which is, the tank spec) for about 3 years (not in US realms though, if you have questions about this current account) and I LOVE this spec. Even when it was like the weakest tank and I had to jump around mobs, desperately dealing damage during every GCD just to survive, I still found it extremely interesting to play. But now, I really cannot bare the balancing of it!! I might be crazy, but I really want blizzard to nerf my favorite spec!

This is because recently , a powerful one-button macro has became popular for DH tanks who have enough stacks of twilight devastation:
/cast Immolation Aura
/cast Demon Spikes
/cast Shear
(Talent choice: Fallout & Feed the demon & Gluttony, other tiers are all irrelevent)

Keep pressing it and you’ll be able to tank mythic 20+, as Shakib has already demonstrated this in his streams. Many other vengeance DHs I know have tried this in 20+ too, and it is not surprising at all that they found this is ridiculous. The idea is: as innate damaging abilities of vengeance is not comparable to twilight devastation AT ALL, you just abandon them COMPLETELY, sit there and generate as many soul fragments as you can, hoping your corruption will trigger and give you all you need.

And I am bringing out DHs because, well I’m more familiar with them of course, and it’s easier for DH tanks to have high health. Also, soul fragments can be consumed autumatically. But similar problems may also be present for other tanks. This is not even about OP or not—— who would want to play a spec where you keep working on you spell book and all of a sudden, everything is useless? Cz All you need is literally go farm twilight devastation (10k echoes for a level 2 on shop now, which suggests 15k for a level 3) and keep pushing 111111, and then bang, you are a super tank now. If you have problems recognizing which mobs to pull, just ask the hunter or rogue in your team to pull for you, since you’ll need one in case twilight devastation triggered too late.

And it is not even hard to make adjustments! Say, if using Shear/Fracture when you already have 100 Pain causes all RPPM timers for corruption effects to pause (restarted when any Pain is actively consumed) , while Soul Cleave, Spirit Bomb and direct damage of Infernal Strike are enhanced by 3-5%, instantly this macro-based tanking style’s gone. Compensation exists in this proposal because DH tanks are already way too behind on IO scores despite improper exploitation of twilight devastation. What we want is, as always, a more exciting and attractive spec to explore, not a really OP or a really weak spec that ruins the whole environment.

The thought of having to press 1111111111 for hours（because it’s going to become the best solution) or give up my favorate spec haunts me. I believe that the right way to play a vengence DH or any tank charactor must involve applying different stratagies to different mobs and conditions, and, single-target attacks should not replace AOEs. If this cannot be taken for granted, why do you wanna master a tank? Any havoc DH can just collect twilight dev and use this macro to tank without having to practice anything then. Perhaps this will end the lack of tanks until shadowlands, then people will find out that a considerable amount of veteran tanks have quitted the game already.

I think blizzard should really learn from classic and recognize that people love their classes and specs NOT because it is simple & strong enough, BUT because it is fun and WORTH TAKING PAIN TO MASTER. And I bet any real DH lover would not want to see a vengeance DH like that, very powerful, yet deadly boring.

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You sure about that? It’s the common denominator for both specs.

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You want Blizzard to nerf a specific tank spec because a corruption makes it more powerful, rather than changing the way the corruption works?

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Shear and Immolation Aura are on the GCD.

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Can confirm, the above macro DOES NOT work. The GCD was deliberately introduced to put the kybosh on just such macros. And this was NOT particular to just DH’s. Since time immemorial, ALL classes were using 1 shot macros for all sorts of stuff. OP just trollin.

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Just tested it in game… the macro works fine if you spam the button. The GCD doesn’t prevent this from working, though it does prevent any smart use of Demon Spikes since you’ll just be burning the charges as they become available.

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I am confused.

Classic was all about pressing 11111111111 for hours. And had some of the most simple class design (over all) in WoW’s history. It was a ton easier to master your class in Classic.

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after 3 years marco should really know more than 8 words

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plot twist: marco is an african grey parrot

…although even then you’re probably still right

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If that macro is letting you use Shear, then it needs to be reported as a bug. Macros are not supposed to process multiple abilities simultaneously that are on the GCD. Both Shear and Immolation Aura are on the GCD. The macro should process Immolation Aura, proceed to Demon Spikes (off GCD), then stop since Shear is on the GCD. Additionally, while Immolation Aura is on CD the macro should just Fail to process anything. They made changes to the macro system during WoD explicitly you stop macros like this.

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Ah you’re right… Shear doesn’t seem to be casting. I thought it was but the combat log shows it isn’t casting, though Immolation Aura and Demon Spikes were.

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I tested it as well. It does NOT work. The GCD prevents all 3 spells from firing.

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Maybe OP got the macro wrong, would it work as a cast sequence? Something like: /castsequence reset=combat Immolation Aura, Demon Spikes, Shear

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gr8 b8 m8 :thinking:

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I expected more POLO posts.

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In my experience i’ve found that since the most recent GCD changes, the /castsequence commands no longer really function. But I may not know enough about them to accurately say. I can say however that I doubt very much it would make any difference. Any attempt to bypass the GCD is a borderline bannable offense from what i’ve been told, as it would essentially re-open pandora’s box for all sorts of shenanigans.

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I use a 1 button macro on both specs for my dh when I play him once a year.

Like all I do is spam my macro and its gg

nerf DH btw.

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If my understanding is right it wouldn’t bypass the GCD, you would still need to wait before using the next ability, but it would be just as easy to bind them individually to 1, 2, and 3 instead of putting them all on 1 so I’m not sure why anyone would do it that way.

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What they mean by that is anything that lets you spam 1 button and trigger different abilities that are on the GCD based on what is off CD or not is not permitted and Blizzard may deem fit to take action against individuals who attempt to bypass their restrictions in such a way. The inclusion of the GCD to macro function was done when they instated this policy back in WoD…

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It’s working as intended. Most tanks have active mitigation which is off the GCD: Ironfur, Hammer of the Righteous, etc.
Personally, I like to keep Mangle and Ironfur in one macro: Mangle generates rage and Ironfur dumps it. I have yet to find a scenario where I find myself needing rage, although it also depends on the talent and azerite picks.
The difference between Guardian and “deadly boring” Vengeance is that, while both can be simplified by macros, Guardian is still a Druid and looking for opportunities to use your massive Druid toolkit is what differentiates a mediocre from a good Druid. Vengeance’s skill cieling on the other hand is at a 5 button rotation, 6 with mount.