Who said they would object? I just said at the time they allied with the horde, they wouldn’t have known about the burning
I have not posted much in this thread, but I have been doling out likes.
I do not have much to add, other than opinion - and others have covered my opinions on the purge more politely than I would. If this thread was slower moving, I might chime in more.
However, I did want to say something about this discussion from earlier in the day :
Since we are sharing unpopular opinions about civilians sharing blame for the actions of their military… I think at some point, you have to give the civilians some blowback for the actions of their government.
It reminds me of Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine has massive amounts of civilian casualties, while Russia has few, since they are the aggressors. Russia can keep drafting its people. Russia likely will not stop its warpath until its own people had enough. Almost like World War 1, where the Russian people had enough of the imperialistic wars, and had a civil war. If the civilians of a country sit blithely by, as their government wreaks havoc, at some point, the change has to come from within.
I am a big fan of Sherman’s March through the South. Were all those southern civilians and property owners traitors who supported slavery and wanted their own separate nation? Likely not - some may have just been living their lives in the place they ended up. but enough of them supported the Confederate cause that they needed to be dealt with.
Do civilians deserve all the blame for what their governments do? Some of the blame? None? I think there are times were the civilians needs some pressure to help change course from within.
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I’m too sleepy to determine whether you are or are not supporting my argument so I’m just going to nod my head and pretend I understand.
Well, between the general ideas that either:
Civilians are totally innocent and share 0 blame for the actions of their military and government
Or
Civilians are part of an active infrastructure, whether they support the government or not. If pressured, they can change their government, but without pressure, they may continue to let their government wreak havoc.
I lean towards the latter. Which leans towards your opinion.
And as you said, that cuts both ways, Alliance and Horde
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Does not help that the Alliance also kidnapped the princess of Zandalar, which the Horde then used to tighten the relationship with the Zandalari.
Regardless of what you say.
The Alliance DID strike first, and they DID push the Zandalari into the Horde… but as I have also noted earlier - this is not an uncharacteristic trait of the Alliance.
Lor’themar was not lying when he said: “The Horde exists BECAUSE of the Alliance.”
The only reason the Horde is gaining more allies is because of the Alliance themselves.
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Because said princess was already planning on allying herself with the Horde.
Funny, it is exactly the opposite. The Alliance was create in response to the Horde rampaging across the world. Also, weren’t you just arguing earlier about how Sylvanas was right to initial pre emptive attacks against the Alliance because you consider the Alliance a danger to the Horde? Consider what happened to Talanji exactly that.
Irrelevant.
They struck first regardless.
Her arguments were fair.
You do not see me criticize the Alliance for defending themselves though, do you?
Regardless… the Alliance also struck first here… at the Warchief nontheless.
Stormheim.
I just can’t believe this is all people want to do is just rehash the same arguements argued to death here, about faction partisanship and reparations.
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Considering the post-subject.
What else is there to do?
Speculate about the new expansion? Try to solve some of these little “mysteries” the story writers have given us to solve this expansion. Focus on character motivations. There’s lots to talk about.
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My idea of speculating on a new WoW expansion is to trash talk it though.
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That’s lame.
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Eh, my opinion is that blizzard just can’t make good games anymore.
For my part, I have not gotten into DF much yet. I have been busy. So, the older topics like the purge are something I can relate to. The newer stuff… I just haven’t delved into yet. I would not argue or guess at things I know little about.
I do read some of the DF threads.
There’s a lot of fun riddles and hidden quests etc in this expansion to do. The side quests and fun WQs like rock climbing is what’s really making DF fun for most people.
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I mean, lets be real, Jaina broke the kirin tor neutrality looooooong before that, when she used Kirin tor resources to restock an alliance military base with soldiers (and then portal out the same soldiers) in advance of a retaliatory attack.
But, Hypocracy is a core part of the Alliance’s DNA at this point, it’s not a big surprise.
Genn backstabbing the Horde duing the literal demonic apocalypse, attempting to assassinate the Horde head of state and a deputized champion of the Kirin tor, and not only getting away with it cleanly but also getting to gloat about how terrible he thinks his enemies are is emblematic of how awful the writing team has been at faction war stories.
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The point is, we don’t know. They’re just there, with no context. So you can’t say canonically that they are one or the other.
Frankly, I suspect the devs planned it that way so they could watch us argue.
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Oh that’s nice Aethas taking the higher ground… I really don’t know how to feel about this. Jaina walking out of it with no real consequence for her actions.
I know how things ended, Talanji wont be so forgiving.
I’m stopping myself here, I really dislike Jaina as written… and hope she get written off as died of old age or her encounter with the Azurite Empower Champions slowly had strip her of her powers and she becomes as useless as Baine has been. (Must stop myself… BfA is…over… Stoooop the salt Oz! hahah joking but you get the idea… I dislike how things turn out for her or Baine now that I mention him, it was not great IMO) 
EDIT NOTE: If this is to tie all the lose ends so we can FINALLY move away to new NPCs, stories and lore beyond WC3 main characters… then I’m up for it, really.
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Have you (or anyone else that only insists on talking about lore from 6 plus years ago) PLAYED Dragonflight?
I did up to level 63.
Which is what blizzard allowed for free.
Including Evoker race/class
I like how the evoker plays, I do like dragonriding.
But I am otherwise not impressed.
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