"Aesthetics and values the Alliance/Horde"

General direct they want is now factions are more about Values/aesthetics.

I’m sure the ex-lawyer who calls himself an elitist jerk and said the Horde was going to be “grey” after Teldrassil will handle this well.

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This isn’t totally surprising, seeing as how that’s sort of how they’ve presented neutral races like Pandaren and now Dracthyr. There’s a lot of people that treat cross-factional play like the sky is falling but I don’t think it’s going to homogenize the game like people think it’s going to.

I will admit, I do think it’s a bit ironic that they’re pushing this after BfA and Shadowlands with the tension that brought (and still brings) between factions but this is a dream for someone like me that plays both factions pretty regularly!

At least they’re keeping the aesthetics in mind. I know I’m reading too much into it as I usually do, but hopefully (for me) that means they’re not going to just glom the two sides together into one super faction since I still like the primary aesthetics of the horde as the outsider monster race faction, regardless of how the actual story has gone.

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It’s going to streamline some mechanics. You still won’t be able to talk to your cross faction guildies unless you use guild chat. you will still be KIS on the opposite faction’s territory.

I mean, they’ve been having players working with ‘roughly’ neutral groups for years so it’s unlikely the cross-faction guilds are gonna be considered much of a sign for faction politics.

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I’m glad he said they’re going to further remove faction barriers, hopefully not being in a guild or community will remain a requirement.

I know a lot of people are firmly like “I don’t want to see the opposite faction in my capital city” but honestly, for me as someone who started the game on a fairly fresh server when AQ had still yet to be opened, and I went to IF and saw a Horde representative there, I thought that was really cool. It felt like this was a huge effort that the Horde and Alliance were working on together. I do think there should be an ‘emissary mode’ or something that gives you the ability to go to the opposite faction’s territory and just disable your ability to flag for PVP at all.

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I may be way off but the way I understand it, what Hazzikostas was saying is that purely gameplay barriers should be removed while the identity of the factions should be reinforced, by highlighting what sets them apart in terms of values of aesthetics.

Which honestly, is completely fine by me. Especially since I don’t actually care about the gameplay

(Not going as far as letting Horde players casually visit Alliance cities and vice versa though. Screw that)

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Count to be homeless as alliance value?

I mean

gnome
Worgen
lightforged Draenei
Draenei
Night elves

I see a clear pattern here.

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What are you talking about? The draenei already have a home in the Exodar. The gnomes have taken back at least half of Gnomeragan already. The night elf and worgen issue should hopefully be dealt with soon/maybe next expansion.

Besides, if you want to talk about races that lost their home, look at the trolls/orcs/taurens. They all had to build new ones.

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??? Diaspora is literally one of the core defining traits of Horde race characterization

Not contesting the fact that Alliance-side the Gnomes and Worgen especially have been done dirty in that regard obviously

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i wanted to be sarcastic, maybe it works tooo well to be noticed :wink:

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This is how I understood it as well. Instanced, group and guild content being cross-factional makes sense because those activities can be considered strictly gameplay. I think it’s a step in the right direction in allowing people the freedom to choose the aesthetic/story that they like best without feeling like they ‘HAVE’ to play a specific faction just because their friends are.

I don’t think we’ll be seeing any humans waltzing into Orgrimmar hollering LOK’TAR OGAR anytime soon.

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This is like a cruise ship wrecking on an island in the Bahamas and saying “See! hey have a home!”
The Exodar isn’t a home. it is a radioactive crash site that sits on elven lands that literally destroyed a settlement on as it fell down. It does not belong to them. Blizzard deciding to abandon the Exodar to build their pipsqueek space lazer ship was a horrible decision they now have to live with, as they could have EASILY rebuilt Exodar (As was orignally canon) and had it be the Legion shared capital that later went to Argus.

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Your right, its more:

The Exodar wasn’t merely a machine to the draenei, but a living thing, a brother in a sense that the other races would never understand. And its pain had been righted, its essence healed. The Prophet rejoiced with his entire race at the triumph.

It was rebuilt, but it is probably too dangerous to fly/has its own risk. Hence why they just made the vindicar. Don’t forget:

e’d seen the Exodar repaired and heading into the Nether, swallowed by darkness and never to return.

He’d seen the Exodar seemingly repaired and exploding upon its launch, killing most of the draenei and laying waste to Azuremyst.

He’d seen the Exodar landing in Outland, the draenei healing their former home in exile.

He’d seen the draenei repair their dimensional vessel, only to leave it moored on Azeroth. Sometimes that led to shadow, and sometimes not.

Seems like that is the timeline we followed.

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I just want options to work with the other faction and not have “faction aesthetics and values” smothering the process. It can be frustrating when you play a race whose aesthetic and values don’t line up with the official party line of their faction, and Blizzard ignores this with the tact of a pig wearing make-up.

Also its funny that most of the elves to fully align with their respective factions.

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Moored on azeroth still implies it can move. Which does not seem to be the case. Blizzard themselves have deleted that story from their website so it may not even be canon anymore nor is it in game anywhere. All evidence points to it being a defunct crash site without a power core and gutted for parts.

Uh-huh:

Don’t forget about Void Elves too.

The Prophet’s Lesson was written in 2012, which means it is older than Legion’s lore that they scuttled the Exodar for parts to built the Vindicaar. Newer lore always trumps older lore in relevancy. Add that to the fact that it’s Naaru pilot, O’ros, was vaporized by the Legion and its not gonna be going anywhere.

That said, I have always found it weird the Draenei never tried to go reclaim the rest of Tempest Keep, or at least its other satellite wings if its core fortifications were too damaged from the retrofitting the Blood elves did to it to make the manaforges.

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