Fellow Paladins, would like your perspective on certain talents.
In M+ dungeons, the majority of our fights is on trash, so AOE talents are obviously useful such as Searing Light. But since certain abilities have been buffed recently such as Wake of Ashes, Final Verdict and Blade of Justice, we can now somewhat concentrate on single target since we’re no longer terrible at it.
My question is in M+, should one utilize Searing Light for the mobs or now should we concentrate with Divine Arbiter for boss fights? That 375% Holystrike single target strike appears awesome but gathering 25 stacks in order to do it does seems somewhat tedious to attain.
I understand it’s always an individual preference but I’d like the perspective of my fellow warriors of the Light, since you guys are the greatest class on these forums.
I mean, after all, are we not Paladins? Are we not “the Avengers” of all Azeroth?
Avengers of Azeroth? That god team belongs to the mages, warlocks and rogues as well as the hunters and sometime B druids. They have over the course of the entire game, occupy the top ranking spots on rotations, normally it’s just a matter of who is.
Paladins have never truly been ‘‘good’’ since WOTLK, our post WOTLK experience in general is just mid tablers, usually nth more then that. The recent shadowlands expansion till pre-rework, we were possibly in the darkest moment of our entire class’s lifespan.
Thank the Light for the rework that we are able to somewhat come back to life even though it’s not perfect. So Post S2 was truly when ret paladins or even paladin in general was able to stabilize our footing. Think back to the days pre rework, how many ret paladins does one even see in the wilds, in LFGs, raids etc? A handful here and there yes but never were we the darlings of WoW.
But if you are asking if we should ‘‘avenge’’ all the humiliation our class and spec suffered through the past decade? I would say it with a resounding yes.
Actually, I’m asking should one utilize Searing Light for the mobs or now should we concentrate with Divine Arbiter for boss fights?
Sorry if I confused people.
As far as my Avengers comment, I’m just talking about lore, since Paladins are the heroes that the people of Azeroth tends to count on in times of dire need.
The actual correct answer is dependent on who you have on your team, if you have a stable set up etc. If for example you already have 2 dps team mates that excel in AOEs, then perhaps you get a leeway in speccing towards ST (divine arbiter). Vice versa obviously.
If it’s just a ‘‘ready made’’ set up, then just go with searing light. Even for tyrannical weeks, the amount of time spend overall on trash will still eclipse the amount of total time spend on bosses. Furthermore we are not a spec that can pivot and swing between ST/AOE without dire sacrifices so it’s better to perform very well on 1 single front then to suck at both. If you have a teammates that’s looking to push with ur ret going forward, speak with them to find out what they need from you, then spec accordingly if required.
For Pugs, just go AOE for m+. It’s usually the safer option. Just pivot out from the cookie cutter build a bit for afflicted and ghost week and u are usually golden.
I was thinking about this myself concerning tyrannical.
I was also looking at a recent Youtube video concerning WoW and according to his data, the single target buff we received is actually putting us high on the dps tier list.
I’m dont currently do high M+ as I focus on pvp now. But I have seen last season, overall damage done averaging very similar comparing ST+cleave Vs AOE builds which include cleave. In higher M+ overall damage for either build is greatly improved if your talent choices include all the boring stat/damage modifiers and all of the cleave/dot talents. If you have a team that has 2 dps that are great at AoE this could allow you to benefit the group by opting to focus on a ST+cleave build allowing you to shine on priority targets without losing out on much damage when using divine storm on med-large pulls. I’m quite pleased the direction blizzard has taken PVE damage for Ret.
Looking at ret talents, Blade of Vengeance as well as Divine Storm does a boat load of aoe damage. Because of talents like those, makes me wonder if I should try dropping (even if it’s temporary) Searing Light for Divine Arbiter during Tyrannical week in order to further increase single target dps, hoping overall damage doesn’t decrease.
Yes, but keep in mind that da brings prio damage and there’s plenty of mobs that need to die quickly. Idk what video you watched but yes the buffs effectively snowballed ret to a state where it’s insanely op with the lego. Luckily the majority of the population doesn’t have the lego yet
If your timing 18s as just an example, use what you think is best and crush a 6( If things are dying so fast that they are not living through the duration of your dots , you might want to go higher for testing purposes) and record your overall damage, then if you can do the same dungeon preferably with the same team next with some talents you want to test. Compare the two runs damage profile and overall damage done. Its largely a what you like best(what feels better) situation unless you’re in one of the the tip of the spear teams pushing 25-30s.
I always drop SL in tyra week.
In all honesty, I dislike a low proc rate with an internal CD.
It works well in AoE because your instances of Radiant damage are numerous but as soon as you fall in ST you have like WoA and consecration initial tick
SL doesn’t trigger from Radiant DoTs only from initial damage.
On the other side DA is useable in AoE, in fact you should use it everytime it’s up in AoE instead of DS and it would be fun to play with if it weren’t for the stacks acting inconsistently.
You can get a ton of stack from the “Blessed hammer” spawned from Hammer of wrath in aoe but somehow “Blessed Champion” doesn’t give you 5 stack when judgement and CS hits 5 targets.
It would be a very interesting funnel mechanic IMO.
This is what I was thinking for a potent single target build that doesnt miss out on most of the great dot and cleave talents, and still provides good AoE. Its a jack of all trades set up, so while it isnt the absolute max damage for any situation, it utilizes some of the best talents for ST or AoE. This build does not include affix utility so add it as needed.
Just as an aside, am I the only one who saw the “BYEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA” at the beginning of the import code and for just a split second thought it looked like a forum troll shouting?
If on your pc, simply copy from here and paste into your talent import screen in game. If needed, you could email yourself it from your phone and then access your email on the computer. And the raidbots website for running a simulation on your character has a spot to put it also I believe.
Maybe from the initial tick (like consecration) but if it works like expurgation, no, it won’t trigger from the dot.
You can test on the dummies for expur, remove BoJ/consec talent and only use BoJ on them.
SL will never trigger from the DoT even though it is radiant.
Just tested it again because it’s been a while.
6 cast of WoA on 5 dummies, 30 hits (without seething flames just to test Truth wake).
No proc from SL from those.
150 hits of Truths wake with no SL proc.
350 hits of expurg with no SL proc.
I was using only BoJ and WoA on the dummies and auto-attacking.
I doubt it even procs from initial tick either.
That in itself is also a reason as to why the AoE build performed badly in ST, you can’t effectively trigger the capstone in ST situations.
If it procced 3 times a minute as it does in AoE, just the proc damage represents 2.4k DPS (on my character) which is 1.3% of my ST damage with AoE build.
Equivalent to 3 FV basically over a minute.
That’s not immense but all those littles interactions that doesn’t work make a difference in the end.
