Guild is almost leveled up, and we are hoping to be running a raid night, but we will be lacking 40+ players needed for a guild run, so we have been considering PuGing the extra players needed, probably around 20.
But we want to be fair to the PuG players but also avoid Ninjas.
One idea that has been floating around is a GDKP system or Gold-DKP
The basic idea is that the guild runs master looter and everything is pooled and added up, if a Blue+ drops, the players can bid on the item 10-25g starting bid (yet to be determined).
At the end of the raid, all the pooled gold, and auctioned gold gained, is divided amongst the players, with 5% off the top for our guild bank.
This way everyone has the option to bid on items, and if someone doesn’t win anything, they will still make enough gold to bid on an item next time. If some PuG wants to pay to win (not endorsed) to buy every item in the raid, the players at the end will still get a sizeable chunk of gold.
Please provide your opinions and thoughts.
Thank you
If I was going on a guild’s gdkp run I would expect it to be on farm status for them. Progression raiding with that many pugs is going to be painful, and loot distribution will be the least of your problems, I’d guess.
Edit: sometimes this works and sometimes it turns into a bunch of drama, but have you asked around on your server for another guild in a position like yours that you could team up with?
Yeah but you’re bringing 20-ish guildies, so if one pug “buys” an item, your divided gold goes half to your guild. There’s really no big difference between your method and guilds that have raids on farm selling gear drops. If I’m joining a raid where I put in as much work as everyone else, I’d be a little pissed off about “the richest guy wins”. If I wanted to be pissed off by capitalism, I’d just not play WoW at all and live in the real world.
SGA’s worked on my vanilla server to an extent. IF you can avoid the non-game abrasions like greed, avarice, jealousy and drama, you have a fair shot.
Tracking a raid DKP system can work if you are organized. One thing I WOULD do though, helps with transparency, is invite a 3rd party non guild member into the loot council, so you can evidence your impartiality.
I would agree with you, except this is for progression and not a farm status guild. Everyone is contributing for a progression kill, and even though they’re not a guild member, they are part of the raid team. They don’t have enough members to run successfully on their own, and they need you as much as you need them.
Becsuse you are still in progression … If you invite a pug player that means you need them. They should have equal rights to all items as long as its an upgrade the same as guild members.
Making them pay for it is dumb though because they wont benefit from the contribution like your guild members will.
DKP is a trash system that exists to reward no-lifers.
If you’re in a no-life guild what insists on trashing on people for a 2% difference in DPS or requires 100% raid attendance then DKP make sense, but I have a feeling that the VAST majority of folk who are playing WoWC are NOT interested in the “progression” grind and want to take a much more casual approach to raiding that doesn’t involve dedicating 30-50 hours a week to the game.
If that’s your kind of guild then by all means use DKP, but if not, you are only going to be pushing players away who want to play to enjoy themselves.
EDIT PS: If you have to PUG players for your raids then you should NEVER use DKP, period. The only fair way to do loot dist in those cases is to Master loot and have those who the equipment is a viable/legit upgrade roll for it and yes that includes your off tanks and off healers for BiS equipment who you PUGd, otherwise you’ll quickly find out that your guilds rep is going to turn sour FAST as you will simply be using those folks time and effort with no chance for reward.
Well let me help you visualize this. The OP is asking for advice on the best way to make a smoothie out of some bananas and almond milk because that is what he has on hand. You try and “help” him, by telling him to just roast a chicken because it tastes better.
I suggested filling out the guild or running it with fewer would, in my opinion (op was asking for opinions and thoughts),potentially be easier than dealing with quasi-GDKP progression/pug runs.
I also brought up another idea of teaming up with another guild, as well as offered input on the GDKP idea.
It isn’t like roasting chicken isn’t an option here, to address your analogy. Bananas and almond milk are not all that is on hand.
If 20 random people not in the guild are assumed to be available, 20 more people recruited to the guild is no way a stretch.
If you’re progressing and pugging at the same time, DKP is inadvisable, particularly when you have to pug fully half the raid.
Fairest option? Hard to say really. Maybe half the loot goes to the guild, half to the pugs? Definitely 1 piece per person unless everyone’s got something.