Advice for new monk

Classes Monk
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I want to make my Mistweaver Monk viable for mythics.

Let me give you some background information to help you understand where I’m coming from. Most of my past healing experience is from playing my holy priest; switching to healing monk was a refreshing change and I’m enjoying this new style of healing but I’ve run into a big problem.

The problem is that my priest is more capable of healing for mythics than my monk is. My priest can keep a mythics group alive quite handily while my monk cannot survive one pull. The surprise is that my monk has a higher item level and better conduits than my priest had when first starting mythics, yet the priest still fared better.

My monk has completed Ethereal Plains on looking for raid so I know my monk is okay with raid healing as long as there is a variety of other healing types available as well. I’ve noticed that my monk thrives among a diversity of healers especially with other high output healers such as priest and druid leading the charts with my monk serving in more of a supportive role.

But I can’t survive one pull in mythics. I need your advice. I hate the Torghast grind for soul ash and I really am not interested in obtaining legendaries. Do you have any other advice for me?

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Cant give advice without seeing your monk. Everything depends in your talent choices, covenant, soulbinds, conduits.

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MW monk has some of the best legendaries in the game. Going to be alot tougher to do content without them.

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If you dont wsnt leggos. Why are you playing MW. Your logic is flawed.

That right there is why your failing.

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Well first things first, get rid of this mindset. You’re going to have to do unecessary grinds if you want to be viable.

Second, be prepared to get declined from 99% of pugs since you’re the worst heal spec for M+ atm (afaik).

Third, listen to everyone else who actually plays it.

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This a bad take. LFR is tour guide mode in the PVE scene, you are gonna have to run at least normal mode in order to get a better gauge of your ability as a healer.

You say you cannot do a pull in M+ despite being more geared on your monk vs your priest, this sorta gives me the impression that you may have rotational issues. You should read up on the Peak of Serenity guide to see what you are missing.

Finally, you are gonna need to get a legendary if you want to be competent as a healer and not a hindrance to the group. Getting a legendary doesn’t take that much effort. At the end of the day this is just a mindset you’ll have to deal with yourself in how bad do you want to be a good MW monk. If you opt to not get a legendary then you clearly don’t want to improve that badly.

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Hey everyone, I really appreciate your replies and I am having second thoughts about getting legendaries.

I am going to provide some stats about my monk as well as my general rotation to help you identify any problems that you may find.

My monk is a 222 ilvl with 44 renown in Night Fae. Current soulbind of choice is Dreamweaver for superb survivability. Current conduits are as follows:

Podtender
Condensed Anima Sphere (252)
Resplendent Mist (226)
Social Butterfly
Fortifying Ingredients (226)
Grounding Breath (226)

My talents are as follows:

Mist Wrap
Chi Torpedo
Lifecycles
Song of Chi-Ji
Dampen Harm
Summon Jade Serpent Statue
Upwelling

My typical rotation starts with summoning a Jade Serpent Statue, then Hots on tanks (Renewing Mist), followed by casts of Essence Font with massive raid damage, Renewing Mist on small amounts of damage, and Soothing Mist with Enveloping Mist for single target healing as needed. Note, with the Soothing Mist/Enveloping Mist I always have the serpent statue active and I rarely/never use Vivify either with or without Soothing Mist because I love Enveloping Mist so much. I don’t like Vivify because it revives memories of direct cast healing that I was trying to get away from which was my entire reason for choosing Mistweaver Monk, it allows me to escape from the boring old way of healing.

I love all the Monk Spells (except Vivify) but one of my favorites is the Covenant Ability Faeline Stomp. I have so much fun casting that ability and it was really disappointing to me to find it on my healing meter as one of the lowest healing abilities in my arsenal. I still use it often in raiding because I believe covenant spells should be used to their best advantage. I wish Blizzard would buff Faeline Stomp because it’s one of the best spells in the game in my opinion.

I love playing my monk. As I said, it offers me an escape from traditional methods of healing and leaves me feeling bored on my priest. Mistweaver Monk has some of the best spells and rotations in the game when played as I described above. The highlights are: Faeline Stomp, Essence Font, Jade Serpent Statue and Soothing Mist, and Revival.

I love my monk and this is the most fun I have had on any class in the game. I would love to see monk be buffed to be more viable for mythics healing. As I said, I used my typical rotation as described above, and did not survive one pull in a mythic 0 because the cooldown on Essence Font is too long and it doesn’t heal enough to keep the party alive. Single target healing is too slow because literally in a split second, the entire party could go from full health to being on the verge of death because that’s how mythics are. To be viable for mythics, a healer must be able to provide continuous party-wide healing to 3 or more members of the party and unless I am missing something, my current setup and rotation fails to provide that.

I am sorry this is so long, please give me any advice if you have advice. Thanks for reading.

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You have to use vivify, you don’t need a leggo for M0 but would recommend it anyways. Also don’t use upwelling use rising mist. You shouldn’t be depending on EF in dungeons. Also don’t use jade serpent statue use chi ji, the rising mist build for mw is very fun and plays around with extending your hots while also doing decent dps.

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As a MW monk, you are expected to still hard cast Vivify, as a matter of fact most Vivifies will be hard casted, you can see the Peak of Serenity guide as to why this makes sense, but the gist is that the healing done by Soothing + Vivify is not as much HPS as lets say 2x Vivify despite 2x Vivify taking 0.5s longer to pull off.

The TLDR of Soothing Mist is that you should only be using Soothing Mist if you need to pump more healing into that one player. If you need to cycle between a bunch of players then you should hard cast Vivify and move on (in addition to things like Essence Font of course).

Don’t give into this notion that Soothing Mist needs to be the prerequisite for all other casts, it’ll just slow you down when the group needs healing ASAP.

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^^ This. But when/if you do get invites, people will often add you if you play MW well.

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When you get around to making a legendary, consider Tear of Morning, I think it might be best one for the style you’re already playing.

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Man this game is so terrible compared to what it used to be.

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There was so much more effort that was involved in getting a legendary back in the day lol, now it’s maybe 30-40 minutes of your time, also if you do the campaign you get a free 265 leggo.

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Maybe I’m just not very good, but from my anecdotal experience this isn’t ever going to happen. For pugs to want to add you, you need to play well beyond expectation and they have to be looking for a consistent healer to run with. In other words, you need to be the pug running with an already established group and then get “recruited” so to speak.

2nd, being the worst spec in the game hardly matters. People are more concerned with your io score and item level, everything else is a distant 2nd.

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I’ve made quite a few friends this way. :slight_smile: