Addressing Population Concerns in WoW Classic

Ladies 1st, sorry.

its detrimental to the game as a whole and thats a fact

It isnt detrimental to anything and never has been, except maybe being caught in pvp, alone.
come back with friends and not so much, cause it’s one guy, with 1 brain
he can only do so much regardless of how many toons he is playing.
He gets hit by a group and he is screwed.

If he wants to 40 man naxx by himself, so what?
does not affect anyone else.
Dont know that he’d be effective, cause again, it’s one guy, there is only so much he can think at one time.

If he wants to queue AB all by himself, well go for it, that should prove interesting since he can not exactly arbitrarily go everywhere.
He is only going to be a shock the 1st time.

It’s no fact, just your opinion.
Big difference

its factual that by paying more money than other players, 1 player can gain an advantage over other players that would not be possible any other way. congrats on being wrong

nope
and i think you can figure out for yourself why

your nothing response is characteristic of so many blizzard shills

Is that how you say you cant figure it out?
So be it.

Your laziness is not my problem.
You might at least make a small attempt to actually come up with an actual well thought out cutting remark, but if you want to copy and paste from the monkey’s typewriter, be my guest.

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lol bro your contempt for me is palpable. you can act like your right if you want and ive already told you why youre wrong, but just because i enjoy towering over you on my throne of logical correctness, i will explain it to you again. playing 5 characters at once is an advantage. whether or not you agree with that doesnt matter because 5 characters are more powerful than 1 character. i made an analogy in a different thread, imagine if you could pay $50 a month for a sword that could one shot anyone. that would be detrimental to the game. a 5 man multibox shaman can 1 shot anyone. outside of pvp, they can also do dungeons by themselves as many times as they want with near perfect execution, netting one player an entire dungeon’s worth of gold and items. outside of dungeon and pvp, multiboxing hinders world continuity, as one player playing 5 characters just looks out of place when you are wandering around the game world. and on top of all that, it clogs up the servers and keeps other real life human beings from being able to play the game. make sure you add a little more spicy salty tear filled hatred to your reply too, the last one was a little bland

I care less about layering. What I do care about is letting transfers be almost all one faction. Earthfury went from 50/50 to like 75/25 horde overnight. Yall boned us and aren’t even acknowledging it.

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Did you only read the part about them introducing layers on select realms and nothing else in the post?

:man_facepalming:

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The diplomacy! You should run for president. Kaivax 2020!

:slightly_smiling_face:

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What makes it more short sighted is how people think this fixes the economy when there is a clear bot + automation used to run these bots. Just add more emulations and rigs. The fact that gold exchanges to USD currency with an attractive rate is only going to make things worse too.

Their bottom line on subscriptions is exactly the reason why they pulled this move. The whales are just going to drive panic like they did on whitemane today in posted 30-50 lotuses at the high end price tricking tool tips for addons that show economic stats. Then signal players to panic sell and swipe up the cheap lotus. SMH, people think way too much on the surface.

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Blizzard doesn’t care about you. They should, but they don’t.

I understand where you guys at Blizz are coming from, and i can see that atm times are tough and you’re grasping to find any options you can use asap.

At the same time, I wanna remind you that the foundation of these issues we’re facing now were laid by using the layering mechanic to attempt to control the server populations at the beginning of classic.
Server caps were increased, way more people than would normally have been able to were able to create characters and play on the already popular realms.
After the big high the dropoff was enough to remove layering, fair enough. However…

It was foreseeable that even without covid there’d be a big sure in players later on as more content came out and BFA was in it’s draught phase to the next xpack. Queues and imbalance issues were basically guaranteed since layering practically allowed for it so more people could play on a realm, as was planned temporarily….
Did you really believe it was only going to be a temporary phenomenon? I wonder…

What is gonna happen longterm as you use layering again? Not only in terms of game mechanics…but also what about the trust your community puts in you to get their favorite game right and have it be handled with utmost care?

You employed the short term solution aka layering, which had the capability due to its mechanics to royally mess up the long term health of the game AND the servers. I’d hoped they’d consider others and my arguments back then who warned about these issues before they went with i,t because we said these problems would occur, with covid or not, but they made their decision.

You did hold to your word at least to remove layering, after which i personally figured you might actually stick to your guns on this.

But now, the game and the players have to yet again deal with the mess of the typical “new system” into an old game built to work without it. A new system that has as always introduced more problems that now they have to figure out how to fix with another system, and on and on it goes.
Damnit, all me and many others asked for was Classic, and now you went back on your own promises (we inb4ed to be broken months ago) on layering because you did a big upsie implementing it in the first place, and here we are again with some weird classic retail hybrid.

When will you learn?

At this point i’m just so worried that TBC is gonna get the same treatment as Classic. You have tools in your hands you just can’t refrain from using, even if it goes against everything the game is supposed to be. Do i think you’re bad people for it? Ofc not. You’re just trying to do your job as players are screaming down your ears.
But what it comes down to for me as a player is…
I just wanna enjoy the game the way it was meant to work…the way it was designed…no sharding, no layering… is that too much to ask? Isnt that the whole point of Classic?

Until this game and the ones after it gets to stay the same game all throughout, i’m gonna have to play…other games. Good luck

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Wow. This is making the experience as far from original as possible. I get that most of the original devs for wow are gone, but there really isn’t a need to try to condition players for current live wow with all of it’s amenities to lure them there.
Giving all the players more buffs, more power, excessive population, rapidly introduced content, and the most nerfed version of everything to replicate LFR mode is not what original wow was all about. Yes, I get that there were like 2 weeks before BC where everything was made easier so we can all ‘experience the content’.
You could merge ALL the players on to one server. If you really were following your own PR spin that’s what you would do. The game was never designed to hold nearly so many players to begin with, this only opens up options for the squeaky wheels who want everything immediately and like to layer hop. I notice that there was no mention of severe reactions to come for this.

I just really hope lessons are being learned so that when BC comes out maybe we don’t try to force socializing and give all the nostalgic nods in live. Maybe a team can focus on just BC and making it a fun experience. It’s frustrating when guilds/players/friends/family do things in vanilla only to have a ‘*’ by all their accomplishments because it’s “Classic Easy Wow” not “Vanilla Wow”.

Personally I would have preferred faction specific transfers…is what it is

Seems the giveaway to a lot of them is 4 magi and a priest. If you catch a group of them on the way to strath or scholo it’s usually gg with honor gains of upwards to 5k honor in roughly 30mins.

Ah yes 7pm ony, when the buff goes out 2 minutes after its dropped and I cant cast spells or do anything because of the insane lag.

You have got to be kidding me trying to downplay that,
The lag in stormwind starts being noticeable as soon as people start coming home from work and gets worse the closer it gets to ony buff.

You say players caused the problem for gravitating towards larger servers but no ones complaining about being on a large realm,
We’re complaining about not being able to log on to our large realm, which would we absolutely possible if blizzard had their own dedicated hardware which would give the game an insane performance boost over their current arrangement.

I want my MMOs to live up to their name and actually be MASSIVE!

Blizzard should be investing into infrastructure that allows bigger worlds with greater player capacities instead of relying on tech that relies on sectioning off and partitioning players to operate.

YES IT WAS

No, it was not.