Ion wanted to remove flight.
We revolted, subs dropped.
They tried pathfinder, subs kept dropping
So they gave us Ultra Flight.
Really simple chain of events.
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that’s like.. an 8 year span.
and we had flight the whole time.
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The simple question is.
Why did ion start his war against flight and then end with skyriding?
Answer: Because the playerbase revolted
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addons eat your breakfast for you.
why did we learn how to ride dragons in a dragon-based expansion?
probably because… dragons.
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What they’re doing and why they say they’re doing it don’t make much sense.
If they’re making their own versions of the addons it means they know and accept that those tools are necessary. So it’s a hard sell this is driven by something like “meters are toxic.” They’re making their own meters.
But it’s safe to say there will be a massive functionality loss with the Blizzard versions. And I can’t imagine they’re so delusional that they don’t know this.
The only thing I see that makes sense is they’re trying to curtail the open ended ram and cpu bottle necking that having an interface layer driven by a runtime script interpreter presents.
Curious to see if they also kill addons like “All the Things” AH scanners, and Rematch ( pet battle ) Or if we’re going to get slow boiled waves of more and more addons taken out.
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If it was a pirate themed xpax we would have had flying pirate ships.
The point is this:
Ion started a war to make HIS game, the subs dropped, he acquiesced.
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We got pirate ships in our pirate themed expansion.
We didn’t get a special new way to fly them.
anyhoo, this is all off topic, and giving pointless bumps. 
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Because I answered your question of
And you tried to deny it.
We are here for the same reason we were here doing the Great Flight Debate. To get whoever is making this moronic decision to turn tail like they did with flight.
Let me be clear: If it were not for the player protest, we would NOT have any flight at all, per Ions wishes.
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I suspect initially pathfinder provided a big mid patch re-sub event.
But I think they got too greedy with things like obviously making pathfinder part 2 take just over a subcription periods worth of grinding and that really turned people off. So it lost it’s value as a re-sub event over time.
And as someone that came back during BfA and grinded out WoD and Legion pathfinders, that experience was truly miserable post expansion. It’s one thing doing a month long grind in the current expansion, but doing multiple month long grinds in previous expansions was insane.
Originally I think the main driver for anti flight is they wanted to make smaller windy path maps. All the detail is expensive and it’s per foot cost. But being able to bypass a 5 minute slog down a path with 10 seconds of flying takes that off the table.
That was also when “engagement” was the overriding corporate buzzword metric that was getting reported in their fillings.
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When restricting the API access Blizzard also forgot that people use addons to fix issues and accessibiliy in the standard UI or get rid of clutter and annoying UI pieces, like:
- Disable loop notification popup windows who block the action bars and other areas of the UI
- Fix contrast and information available on mob health bars
- Mute Brann when he makes too many comments in delves
- Use alternative raid frames to improve access to information
These addons do not change how WoW combat works, they just improve the UI and make it more usable. Blizzard is still not at the level of UI customization that addons like ElvUI or Z-Perl provide.
The problem is, when Blizzard wants to get rid of addons like GSE, Hekili and WeakAuras they also break stuff in other addons which don’t give an advantage by simplifying combat.
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Best thing you can do is unsub, especially if you still have some game time left, you can still play and keep an eye on what’s happening.
But if you can unsub and tell them it’s due to the addon changes, that is the most impact you are going to be able to have.
I personally have done this. Because I sub annually, my game time doesn’t run out until March next year, so I can still stick around to see how things play out.
If I can’t have ElvUI, I am also done for good after 20 years. UI customisation is like a mini-game for me, and it’s one of the things I love about WoW. If it goes, a large chunk of my enjoyment in the game goes as well, as I really dislike Blizzard’s UI, and have done from when I first started playing. To me, it’s clunky and ugly, even the newer version.
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Why are all the anti-addon people so dependent on mischaracterising what others are saying and building massive strawmen to beat away at?
No-one thinks they’ll die.
And I’m not “dependent” on ElvUI, I just find it pleasing to look at, and I find Blizzard’s UI displeasing to look at.
I’m not going to spend hours per week staring at something I find ugly. That’s not dependence, it’s just a choice, like it would be for anything else that you purchase in life that you take aesthetics into account for, as well as functionality.
Please try harder. I’m positive you can’t all be genuinely this bad at comprehending the most basic of concepts.
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Thats the thing. Elvui isnt a combat addon , its a UI skin or filter you could say. It doesnt tell you what to do , it just makes the information blizz already provides easier to palate and easier on the eyes for that matter. I hate the look of the default UI so i use Elv for the sleek simplistic look. Keeps all my info uniform.
just to reiterate it does NOT : display or do anything combat related. Its not DMB or WA. Its a UI cosmetic that allows us to make a UI we like to look at and can understand the info better. No real reason to remove that functionality.
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This is the thing most of the trolls responding don’t understand. I don’t want to look at the default UI, it’s garbage. I’ve spent hours changing ElvUi over the years because I find it fun and looks amazing. I have different versions for each class that I tweak all the time.
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I’m constantly grilling Blizzard over their abject failure to put coordinates on the new minimap. They haven’t shipped anything that proves that they can do anything right with the UI yet.
But if ElvUI specifically is the hill someone wants to die on, I’ll bring a shovel. There are so many more important things that addon limitations will break.
It’s not like blizz banned elvui. The creator doesn’t want to do the work to rebuild it which is fine, but also on them. The changes being made to reign in what addons can do is related to the api limitations stemming from the combat addon deprecation.
Yeah, I can’t wait until Midnight so all these people who “cancelled their subs” because of their precious add ons being taken away might finally be gone.
Except of course we all know the outcome.
It’s not about ElvUI specifically. It’s just a representation of how destructive the changes to the addon API are, that a simple cosmetic and QoL overhaul is entirely dead.
Blizzard has given us ZERO indication that they know how to make UI replacements for the things they are killing in Midnight. I have no idea why anyone would have faith that they can pull it off in the next 4-5 months, when they haven’t been able to do so in 21 years.
Addons are one of the core pillars of what made WoW successful. This is, without hyperbole, the most destructive change Blizzard has ever made to the game.
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