Have you seen how bad Blizz is at balancing?
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Every class and spec has some amount of utility, yes. And that’s fine. Making a spec that has a high amount of utility, but doesn’t have throughput, would be the issue.
What was the point of this thread? No one likes the holy trinity and never has. There’s a reason GW is as popular as it is. Hell, even EverQuest had melee dps that buffed their raid. You didnt need to be max level to do max levek content. That was enjoyable and far more memorable for me than anything WoW has produced.
oh theres a new class with support mostly? very nice. gw2 is fun with its ability for all classes to have almost all roles in it in someway n can change “specs” on the fly. tho, i do like trinity but even im starting to get kinda bored of it esp now when u have ppl in xiv and wow beggin healers to dps bc there isnt much 2 heal lol
To put forward a contrary opinion to the one that you voiced in your post.
I like WoW’s three-role setup, and I have liked it since I started playing during BC, so, speak for yourself.
WoW is the most successful MMO ever.
I don’t buy into this argument. We can’t aff X because its been Y!
Especially because its blatantly untrue. We have had support classes since wotlk finally killed them off. We have had ret paladins in vanilla whos only job was to buff the raid, put judgement on the boss, and keep nightfall or sunder armor up. (The sunder from the axe that stacked with sunder armor from warriors)
Really its just a return to origin.
Druids, through most of their early history, were support classes. They couldn’t dps without multiple loopholes, they didn’t really heal well outside raids (supporting) and we already know their feral abilities revolved around power shifting into various support positions.
I am certain threads like that can be boiled down to either insecure dps worried about their raid spots or CHANGE BAD
People still believing Wowhead’s mischaracterization I see.
It already exists. Its called Ret, Shadow, Enhancement, Feral/Boomkin.
Problem is that it only shines in PvP and high end keys. (look at the M+ ladder most top runs have one of these, + 2 “pure” dps.)
So, to be clear, because I like this game the way it is, and I don’t want a page-one rewrite of the most basic foundation of the game, that invalidates my opinion in favor of your opinion? lol ok
You just listed four exceptionally strong DPS specs that do a heck of a lot more than just support
On the subject of support:
Nothing was quite so fun for me as when I took my hunter into torghast and went all in on the misdirect powers that effectively doubled my damage and made the target take 90% less damage, and I was able to push people into the millions of DPS in 9.0.
A class that was all about buffing the hell out of people like that? Yeah. Yeah I’d love it.
Well yeah, they’re not going to release something like DND Bards, supports in this game will be DPS specs with offhealing/support capabilities.
Its actually a really fun playstyle. I don’t think its a coincidence they released the Ret rework now btw as Ret is basically the quintessence of that playstyle.
Idk, that doesn’t sound like a new role to me at all. I don’t think that’s what anyone means by “support role,” most DPS already fill that in some degree or another. I think people are literally talking about D&D Bard-style specs that would get a separate “role” (and therefore cannot heal like healers or DPS like DPS, lest they be insanely OP)
Because hybrids have been in the game since vanilla. Their power/usefullness just has varied widely.
DF is i think the first expansion where the playstyle really shine for the right reasons in PvE which is why it feels new to people.
If there’s really people expecting Blizz to release a pure buffbot spec, yeah they’ll be disapointed. Its not 2002 anymore.
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I like the idea of a support class
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Support is not just a buff bot.
A true support is. The role is defined by buffs and debuffs.
Any role can have utility attached - but high damage defines damage dealers, significant group healing defines healers, damage mitigation and threat management defines tanks, outsized crowd control defines mezzers, and impactful buffs define support. I could go on - there are many more roles than the three WoW has traditionally recognized. There’s always going to be a degree of hybridization, too, but hybridization should not be confused with support.
A support class could play like a Bard. Give it a bow, gun, or crossbow and while DPS’ing it maintains certain buffs. Dracthyr having a 3rd spec could play this way also. As long as you do some sort of DPS rotation you can get rolling buffs.
Bard is pretty much the poster child for the support role in other RPGs. But the Bard itself just doesn’t mesh well with WoW. I’d rather they reintegrate the role with Shaman and Paladin and introduce it to Evoker, as you say.
Rotationally, these classes don’t even need to change. Just add support components to existing abilities. Have Stormstrike plant a totem that gives an impactful mastery buff for a few seconds, for example.
Boooooo
GIVE US BARDS
While I’d love a support class or spec in WoW, this games nature of “All Damage All The Time” would either mean support abilities would have to be super high to require them, and subsequently the specs damage has to be super low to compensate.
And personally I’d rather not return to the days of lolret where my ability to cast a heal and an occasional Blessing or two meant I had to hit like a wet noodle.