Add Reckoning its own spell batching - Paladin protection talent

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Just so that we have some formal reporting with current issues here.

  1. Reckoning is not working as it was before the batch change, as follows:

You were able to stack reckoning against mobs by standing up as the mob attacked you. You would be sitting as the attack registered, but stand within a far higher ms (the batch window) such that the crit registered as you standing. With a 10 ms batch, this is nearly impossible to replicate.

  1. Seal Twisting is inaccurate to its former live self, and is much stronger, more akin to its TBC variant. You can also stack multiple ranks of the same seal with itself (such as rank 1 and 2 of seal of command), which could never happen, even in TBC.

Add Reckoning its own spell batching, just like seal twisting was given in 1.13.7
because it is a bigger talent/spell than seal twisting. It should be obtainable by sitting as easy as it originally was. With the 10 ms change it will never proc and in 2006 it ALWAYS was stacking.

Please add a separate batching for reckoning like you did with seal twisting

Reckoning bomb should be just as easy to proc as it did in these 2006 videos with sit stand and with 10ms it would bring a massive nerf to reckoning

Look how easy it should be to obtain reckoning from mobs
The video was slowed to 0.25x so thats 3 times slower
So speed the video to 1.75x
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ungFcp-Zjgc

Reckoning bomb should be easily obtainable, not impossible

1st charge first 2 seconds when he spam sits

2nd charge 6 seconds

3rd charge 15th second

4th charge 25th second

https://youtu.be/vRf3tV2VUkA

Here I am and 40 seconds and im only getting one charge and this isn’t even 10ms batching yet

This is not blizzlike at all and is prejudice towards ret paladins

2006 CLASSIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtbzSv5MT3s
(go to 0:30)

2006 Classic (kneel to stand is much faster at 3 min 56s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTf8gQhejfE&t=3m56s

Fix:

  1. Make the paladin talent reckoning have its own special spell batching window like seal twist and make its spell batching window larger, test and get thesame charges as the old videos and find out what the magic ms number is.
  2. Make sit to stand quicker

10ms is silly. It should be closer to 800ms
Or 400 ms with double the current sit speed

I believe it was originally 400ms with a faster sit speed. Therefore if you cant change the sit speed blizzard. Make reckonings spell batching 800ms

If we cant stack reckoning like 2006 then blizzard. Nerf many spells so they aren’t like 2006 either. You can start by nerfing drain life so it is affected by mortal strike. Oh. But you wont do that right? Because that didn’t happen until tbc? Well thats thesame with reckoning. It wasn’t changed to a new talent until tbc. So change its stack chance back. Ironically it was WORKING PERFECTLY AND STACKING EXACTLTY AS MUCH AS IN THE VIDEOS at the START OF 2019.

Change it back. Ever since you meddled with hand of justice macro. You messed up reckoning stack chance so it barely stacks. Make reckoning have its own spell batching so it can work like it did prior to the hand of justice macro nerf.

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towards prot paladins*

This has nothing to do with spell batching

Just go pure ret instead of exploiting game mechanics

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Stacking is blizzlike. Why dont you go pure ret and exploit seal twisting too?

If seal twisting exists then reckoning stacking should too

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Reckoning is a no skill build for beta paladins and memers. Deep ret, this is the way.

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Think of what people will say when your ret dps in raids is only viable because you abuse a seal twist and proc it 2-3 times like a nutcase. They are going to say ret is a meme for seal twisting to be viable dps. I think reckoning stacking should be set to 2006 with its own special specific batching just like seal twisting. Why disciminate against one when both are equally in thesame boat?

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No one cares about meme specs.

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Yet blizzard is allowing meme seal twists with their own special batching… Surely this means reckoning has its own privelages and it demolishes crusader strike in tbc pound for pound. Reckoning is a superior burst talent to crusader strike (although an inferior dps talent) against mages and rogues and everyone. It isnt a small unimportant spell. It is the bane of vanilla pvp paladins.

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It can only proc twice at once noob. My ret already does viable dps he’s full bis with MoM so I really don’t care. Why don’t you go have another mental breakdown and spam the same thread 30 times like you did not too long ago?

At least seal twisting requires you to press a button instead of running around holding stacks until you find something to hit and then becoming useless after.

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At least seal twisting is just as stupid and has THE potential to replace an entire paladins rotation. Silly.

2 times. Ok so I said 2-3 times boo hoo noob

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I swear if Blizz puts any of the weekly 3 minutes of dev time allotted per week to classic we riot

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Seal twisting adds complexity. Sit spam to proc a passive doesn’t.

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I agree that what they have done to reckning is terrible but this is not news and has been discussed before they are not fixing it. The people telling you to play deep ret, because it takes more skill are clowns though. Nothing skillful about auto attacking and hoping for seal of command procs to happen at the right time lol. Regardless reck bomb pala has always been a large part of vanilla wow culture on private servers so its a shame it is gimped on classic.

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You would think so, but once you get hit by double command you’re going to repent of your foolish Reck Bomb ways that are piddly little damage compared to what Ret can do nearly on demand by cheesing the refresh on the PPM.

I finally figured I out how it done, and I get better procs off SoC than I can get crits off backstab. It’s somewhat OP as hell, and my palla isn’t even 60 yet.

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lining up vengeance with a stun and a judgement does take minimal effort - but more than you’re giving credit.

the difference between good and bad rets is huge.

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“ret takes skill! honest!”

yeah, so much skill to autoattack and pray for command procs

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That’s not what seal twisting is though.

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You’re delusional

With seal twisting, Reckoning is now able to gain 2 commands

Seal twisting has the impact to change the game and the way we play. It having its batching means reckoning should too.

Ret doesnt take skill just as much as prot
And twisting doesnt take skill either. It just takes a silly weapon addon timer. There is nothing skillful about autoattacking command as ret and

NOW THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY FIX SEAL TWISTING IN 1.13.7 WITH ITS OWN ORGANIZED PRIVATIZED SPECIFIC TO ITSELF SPELL BATCHING WINDOW

WHY CANT THEY FOR RECKONING?

SIMPLE FIX FOR A NOT SO SMALL TALENT

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Said the Reck spec paladin to the rogue.

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Said the rogue in 55 greens doing double a Ret spec paladins dps

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Not my fault Ret DPS is bad in classic, but i know how good Ret burst is in PvP, its actually impressive.