They say that - but Blizzard say stuff all the time that is just gaslighting or downright lies. Does anyone actually believe that they will start simplifying encounters?
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They would still serve the same useful purpose of making encounters easier. No matter how easy mechanics are, people will still use addons to make them easier. We know this because that is what already happened, and why Blizzard had to keep making more complex emcounters.
Either they will simplify encounters to some degree, or they won’t disable combat addon functionality.
they did not have to. they chose to.
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All I have to say here is actually watch the full 40+ minutes of “Improving WoW’s UI” w/ Ion. He goes over everything with Max and Dratnos. For better or worse if things don’t work out atleast we will have a shift of encounter design and better gameplay loop without tracking modifiers like Outlaw Rogues do (Which Ion made the example of in the video). Things are changing for the better and tell me to “cope” but I think if they actually want 20+ years out of the game this will be the most welcomed changes in WoW of all time.
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Thing is, without those types of fights, we have nothing but Onyxia dragon fights. Handle adds, dodge breaths, win.
We have to chose. Easy fights that dont need addons, or complicated fights that need addons but only in the higher echelons of skill.
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Could you show a source that EVERYONE wants add-ons to be removed please?
I personally love a lot of my adds like Rematch, Altoholic etc. that are great QoL improvements.
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those types of addons are not what the developers are targeting
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If you listen to the interview, you can tell they love addons. No way Ion doesnt play without them, for sure.
Of course addons are not leaving, and the ones that do get broke are being baked in. Of course, that gets countered with “Blizzard doesnt have a good track record” except they do. Its called WoW.
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i just hope that crusade against addons doesnt end up forcing ppl to use voice more 
ive been enjoying the mute style for a few years.
last time i was forced to use voice was high thinker mechatorque. been a while.
if it turns into a mic fest for everything, im gonna have to be out.
You said it and proved you have no idea what the issue is
Which is very common for you and this is clearly just a bait post.
no, they don’t have a good track record.
any time they’ve baked addon functionality into the base ui, we have lost out on customization and flexibility.
look at the crapshow that the recent cooldown manager is, for example.
blizz’s track record for baking addons in is awful, and I have little faith they are going to do better going forward.
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You’re absolutely delusional if you think blizzard has a good track record “incorporating addons”
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Yall member you used to need an addon to put quests on the world map? Used to need a quest manager to figure out quest chains.
There are tons of addons that used to be needed but are now not.
There are still more bad examples than good ones.
On top of that you’re trying to compare basic map addons to combat ones.
Apples to oranges and proof you don’t know what you’re talking about
They said “made redundant” and not “removed”.
They mean that addons should stay available but be made unnecessary by the base UI being improved.
But it doesnt though? Just because an addon tells you to move, that in no way is a promise that the person will move, or move on time, or be paying attention to DBM etc. They are trying to blame addons when in reality, with or without addons the people completing said mechanics could do them anyway. What addons actually DO is help the less skillful players be a part of the upper echelons of content, something of which is gated to them by the content alone, not the addons.
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Tell me how they are going to mess up damage meters. Come on, explain what could go wrong with damage meters that blizzard makes.
I notice a bunch of "oh itll be bad’ but no actual reasons as to how it would be bad.
Comes down to it, I truly think a bunch of people didnt read the posts or watch the interview, thought that Ion said all addons were at risk, didnt realize things would be baked in, and now cannot back down. So they have to go “well ok but blizz aint good at this”.
Thats how the discussion has unfolded the past week. People got upset because they did not read nor watch, and now cannot admit they were wrong so they double down.
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I have zero faith that the game will turn out better with them meddling and messing up addons. They could barely add a functional click casting on bars without it being buggy or not having complete features. Their UI overhaul still has elements you cant move or manipulate that we have been asking to be fixed since they “updated” the ui a few yrs ago. ( like we cant even move talking heads without an addon, and we have been asking for them to fix this for years to no avail )
There is no chance anything they ship even works properly ( mostly because they WILL ignore the beta testing feedback but also partly because they have no idea what they are doing anymore )
Then there is the fact that no matter what they do modders will still try to find work arounds unless bans are being given. This has been the case the last 5+ years they have been trying to nerf addons and add hidden auras.
Nothing changed then, and nothing will change now.
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Be a damage meter and not track all the additional information that details tracks.
We have explained it multiple times. You’re either ignoring it or can’t read.
What you think is irrelevant. The people that actually write the addons have a better understanding than you do.
The discussion boils down to people like you who have no idea what you’re talking about pretending you do.
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Well, they will certainly find out how many players are raiding for the challenge and how many are just doing it for the rewards when this happens.
If changes are not made to encounters then I’m guessing participation will plumet.
Very few are going to be willing to smash their heads into a wall for days or weeks trying to figure out some esoteric mechanic and get nothing for it except huge repair bills and thousands of gold wasted on pots,flasks, feasts, etc,etc.