Add Jostled Chalice Fragment as random drops from mini-bosses/bosses

WoW Classic Season of Discovery
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As a feral druid, my BIS is 6 piece 3.5 only if I have 6 pieces (plus a certain staff that may or may not drop). Until I have this, it is back to the tier 2 gulags with me. I have worn tier 2 for well over a year. It has ketchup stains and I’m pretty sure hasn’t been washed in half that time. You tried to nerf rake to the ground, but it is still above the ground.

Now hear me out - instead of waiting 12 weeks when most guilds have quit sod and moved on to tbc, and I’m crying because my staff still hasn’t dropped and I’ve had to join with multiple other guilds with equally abused feral druids, please for the love of all that is furry and cute, have Jostled Chalice Fragment randomly drop from minibosses and bosses throughout the Scarlet Enclave raid. This should not piss off too many people and make a lot of others quite content.

Thanks for sod. Please don’t get any bright ideas with the classic store.

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This is just another loot entitlement post disguised as frustration over RNG.

  • Loot scarcity is part of progression—you’re not supposed to get BiS overnight. If guilds quit over not getting gear instantly, that’s a guild issue, not a system issue.
  • Chalice Fragments dropping from minibosses and bosses would completely trivialize loot acquisition. This would speed up gearing far beyond intended pacing, gutting long-term engagement.
  • If waiting for drops is too painful, that’s just impatience, not poor game design. Rare items are meant to be earned over time, not handed out as consolation prizes.

The reality is you don’t need more loot—you need to engage with progression as it’s designed. Scarlet Enclave isn’t failing—people just don’t want to accept that loot isn’t guaranteed on demand. If your gear hasn’t dropped yet, that’s the nature of loot-based MMOs—not a flaw in the system. Let the game be a challenge, instead of demanding easier rewards.

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Okay so this guy might be pissed off. But the rest are good with it.

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Who are “the rest” exactly? Generalizing doesn’t make an argument stronger—it just avoids direct engagement.

Also saying

is just dismissive. The discussion is about whether extra loot is necessary, not about emotions.

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You would be right. It is dismissive. You turned my post into something it isn’t then rehashed talking points that are only good in the vacuum of your own choosing. In other words, you are inflexible, and for this reason I will be dismissing you.

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You admit your response was dismissive, yet instead of engaging with the argument, you resort to vague criticisms without actually addressing the core issue. If my

Then prove it—break them down instead of dodging the discussion entirely.

Now, let’s revisit your original post and the flaws in your reasoning:**

The Core Issue: Loot Scarcity vs. Entitlement

Your argument boils down to: “I need BiS gear, but RNG hasn’t favored me, so Scarlet Enclave’s loot system should be altered to give me faster access to upgrades.”

This ignores the reality of MMO progression:

  1. Loot scarcity is an intended mechanic. BiS is not meant to be handed out quickly—it’s earned over time through consistent participation.
  2. Adding Chalice Fragments as additional random drops trivializes loot acquisition. If gear is handed out faster than intended, it shortens the content’s longevity.
  3. Guild attrition isn’t proof of flawed loot systems. If guilds quit due to frustration, that’s a player engagement issue, not a game balance issue.
  4. MMOs require persistence. If you want BiS gear, you have to deal with RNG—not demand it gets removed because it inconveniences you.

Refuting Your Dismissive Response

You claimed my response was

That’s blatantly incorrect—my points are valid within the framework of loot-based progression that defines MMOs. If you disagree, prove why your proposed changes wouldn’t create the exact problems I outlined:

I have provided you with some questions so that you can answer them and possibly help build your case.

  • Why wouldn’t extra Chalice Fragments trivialize loot acquisition?
  • How does eliminating scarcity improve engagement rather than accelerate burnout?
  • What precedent exists in WoW where loot scarcity was removed and resulted in better long-term content pacing?

If my reasoning were flawed, you’d be able to provide direct counterpoints. Instead, you dismiss the discussion entirely rather than engaging with the mechanics being debated.

Scarlet Enclave’s loot system isn’t failing—people are just impatient. If your gear hasn’t dropped yet, that’s how RNG works, not proof of a broken system. MMOs thrive on scarcity to keep progression meaningful—removing it reduces long-term engagement and destroys the pacing designed for this phase of content.

Instead of dismissing valid points, address them. Otherwise, you’re just avoiding a discussion you know you can’t win."

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Mate, you know you can have ChatGPT format responses in a way that aren’t so obvious, right? Can mods ban this guy for botting the forums?

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You’re defaulting to the same weak accusation—suggesting my post is AI-generated instead of actually engaging with the discussion. If you had a valid argument, you wouldn’t need to resort to speculation about my formatting—you’d challenge my points directly.

Let’s focus on the topic at hand rather than distractions.**

Loot Scarcity vs. Entitlement – The Core Issue

The push to make Jostled Chalice Fragments drop from minibosses and bosses fundamentally breaks the intended loot pacing of Season of Discovery. Here’s why:

  • Scarcity is necessary for meaningful progression. If loot is handed out too easily, the content becomes trivial, shortening raid longevity and making it less engaging over time.
  • Random additional drops undermine structured loot acquisition. Loot should be earned through consistent participation, not handed out through extra RNG layers to compensate for frustration.
  • Guild attrition is not proof of a flawed system. If players quit because loot doesn’t drop fast enough, that’s impatience—not bad game design. Gear should be a long-term goal, not an instant gratification mechanic.

Why Your Argument Doesn’t Hold Up

Claiming that adding extra Chalice Fragments “wouldn’t piss off too many people” ignores the long-term impact on game balance. The proposal overlooks these consequences:

  • Gearing would accelerate far beyond intended pacing. This would remove the challenge and make progression feel hollow.
  • Scarlet Enclave is built around scarcity-based progression. MMOs thrive on structured loot systems—removing scarcity removes incentive to engage consistently.
  • There’s no precedent for Blizzard removing loot scarcity to improve content longevity. Every time WoW has accelerated gearing too much, it has hurt long-term engagement instead of helping it.

Why the System Should Stay As-Is

Instead of demanding more loot as a fix, the focus should be on engaging with the progression as designed. Scarlet Enclave doesn’t need more loot drops—it needs players to accept that MMOs are built around persistence, not instant rewards.

So, let’s get back to the real conversation—how progression pacing impacts long-term engagement. If you believe loot scarcity isn’t necessary, prove it with actual examples where removing scarcity has led to better overall player retention and content sustainability.

Otherwise, let’s acknowledge that loot frustration is part of the MMO experience—not a system flaw.

This response keeps the pressure on while steering the discussion back to the core topic, making it impossible for them to avoid addressing the actual mechanics of loot progression.

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Yeah can we just ban this chatgpt forum bot?

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Just ignore him. Even Sentaza, who trolls/responds to everybody, has him on ignore.

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Thanks for the heads up. He really wanted people to interact with him. He on ignore now.

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I have also heard complaints from our Feral who opted not to take any tier until he got the staff, which thankfully dropped last night. I don’t think the issue is the loot scarcity in this particular case (which I do believe sucks for everyone), but its especially bad for ferals since they tier is hot garbage without the new weapon and 6 piece. They really just need to fix Ferals tier bonuses to not be a steaming pile of garbage at 2piece and 4 piece.

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I agree - they should preload the best part of the set into the 2 piece bonus or nerf the rake even further to push the gear. That said, we run between 30 and 40 people at the moment and I know a lot that have not gotten any loot out of the raid. I don’t understand why you can get a full chalice in the current raid but not partial fragments. Seems like a no brainer to me if they want to have that as a catchup mechanic. Put it as a low chance drop between the first 5 bosses and this improves the ability for larger guilds to get their 2 piece. Normally I would say its fine for loot to funnel this slowly except without confirmation of another phase, the leads people to move on to the next game and abandon the current tier.

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Your argument assumes that loot scarcity is a flaw rather than an intended design choice in MMOs. Let’s break down the issues with your reasoning:

1. Scarcity Is a Core Part of MMO Progression

  • Loot isn’t supposed to be handed out easily—it’s meant to be earned through consistent participation.
  • Saying “many players haven’t gotten loot yet” is just acknowledging that progress takes time, not proving that the system is broken.

2. Chalice Fragment Drops Would Accelerate Gearing Too Much

  • Adding low-chance drops to the first five bosses means players would gear up faster than intended, reducing content longevity.
  • If loot acquisition is sped up too much, players burn through content and disengage, leading to phase burnout instead of sustained participation.

3. “No Confirmation of Another Phase” Is Not an Argument

  • Uncertainty about future phases is not a justification to alter loot mechanics.
  • MMOs always progress to new content—players choosing to leave early isn’t proof that the system needs changing, it’s proof of impatience.

Loot scarcity isn’t a mistake—it’s what keeps MMOs engaging over time. If gear hasn’t dropped yet, that’s part of the challenge, not a flaw in the system. Instead of demanding more drops, players should engage with progression as designed, rather than trying to shortcut the process.

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With how dry the loot tables are in scarlet enclave, im definitely less inclined to raid there on alts.

this suggestion might begin to change that. worth considering

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Don’t reply to this guy, he’s using ChatGPT to create his posts.

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Loot scarcity in Scarlet Enclave is a deliberate design choice, not an oversight. WoW’s progression has always relied on loot scarcity to maintain long-term engagement—if loot was handed out too freely, raid longevity would collapse.

Saying that ‘dry loot tables’ discourage alts assumes that more frequent drops would solve the issue, but loot pacing isn’t meant to cater to alt convenience—it’s meant to sustain the integrity of progression.

The suggestion to add Chalice Fragment drops only accelerates gearing artificially, bypassing the intended loot funnel. If loot distribution was truly broken, we’d see widespread disengagement from main characters, not just alt play hesitation.

Scarlet Enclave isn’t failing because loot is scarce—it’s succeeding because progression remains meaningful over time rather than trivialized.

It’s ironic that someone playing a level 80 retail character thinks they have more credibility in a discussion about loot progression in Season of Discovery.

If the best counter-argument to my points is a baseless claim about AI formatting instead of actual logic, that speaks volumes. Dismissing valid arguments instead of addressing them directly is a weak debate tactic—if you disagree, prove it with facts instead of resorting to speculation.

So, are we discussing game mechanics, or just finding excuses to avoid addressing the argument?

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I just ran this through some software and it came back 100% AI generated.

Also like I said Mr ChatGPT, I can’t change my forum character.