Activision Diversity Space Tool

This really isn’t rocket science.

Fantasy is an internationally popular genre and people like characters that look like them. That represent them, you might say. Because everybody likes to feel seen now and again, particularly in genres near and dear to their heart.

Interpreting that perfectly reasonable request as some demand to instill a bizarre system that calculates extraordinarily abstract and personal concepts like culture as if it’s a measurable metric wasn’t something asked for by anyone.

Pretending otherwise is either dumb or dishonest.

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Quite frankly if you told me a year ago, in the wake of the lawsuit, that Blizzard would proudly advertise on their official ActiBlizz twitter that they developed this tool from Satan’s bosom unironically and refuse to delete it in the wake of backlash

I would say “no way”

so I have no possible speculation for what may come

for all I know Bobby could get caught up in the Ghislaine stuff and it revealed that x% of Blizzard funds was going towards international trafficking of women tomorrow

Blizzard is gonna be a slow burn, and this tool is merely a symptom that they failed to adapt after the 2010s and still are failing to adapt

They have no idea what they’re doing because they refuse to engage with people with the range

so they celebrate a bunch of swedes in a contract external company making a quantified hierarchy of diversity

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I agree but when you got a fantasy that is completely euro-centric at its core and then stick two black guys to fulfill a diversity quota is a wholly different thing than to show a fantasy with actual roots based in a real ethnicity or pulling from their history.

One is cheap and low effort and the other isn’t.

That system is meant to maximize that sort of lazy introduction, basically “what is the best diversity score we can get by doing the bare minimum”.

Some people like their tokenism, and this system is tokenism at its finest.
The only difference thats happened with this tool is that they made a system whereas before it was just informal discussions.

I’d say it’s more like seeing how “impossible meat” is made.

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This is true though. The diversity tool is only doing explicitly what writing teams trying to push “diversity, equity and inclusion” are already expected to do implicitly. (Kind of an indictment).

I feel the inherent trouble is much of CDev just seems fundamentally disinterested in history and culture. Which is pretty problematic considering the genre of high fantasy is inextricably connected to it.

But this hasn’t always been the case. I’m sinking my teeth into MoP for the first time as it was impossible to get very far in it pre level revamp. Now I’m not an expert on any Asian culture. But it’s clear to me a real attempt was made with Pandaria.

The Pandarens feel like a genuine society. I really appreciate how much you learn them about their values, traditions, beliefs, and taboos. They’re also flawed and more than capable of having deep rooted familal disputes and other petty squabbles. Their monasteries show some stagnation and are rife with favoritism and the ego of instructors. One of their deities expresses annoyance, albeit in a patient and understanding sense, at their need to cling unto her when it is the simple nature of things that she must die. Likewise even an authority like Lorewalker Cho has blindspots to his history, being gobsmacked when the legends of gigantic Sha turned out to be anything but.

Suffice to say they feel like an actual society. Yeah you’ve extremely competent people but also bitter alcoholic groundskeepers and even history professors don’t know everything.

So some people at Blizz clearly have an interest in this sort of thing. While others do not. Seriously an interview with Golden on the Sylvanas novel was interesting. It’s such a small exchange but her going “That’s great I’m steeling that” in regards to the interviewer saying “the elekk in the room”, as opposed to elephant in the room, was so telling.

Because if you know anything about linguistics you know how completely confusing idioms are to non native speakers. A favorite of mine was explaining to a coworker that the phrase “Like a bat out of hell” was meant to describe speed, and not abject terror. When come to think of it - that phrasing really does seem like it’s trying to describe something scary, not something that’s fast.

And going back to the elephant in the room - that came from a Russian poem about a man so obsessed with the minutiae of a museum exhibit that he fails to notice an elephant in the room. Mark Twain presumably read that at some point and wrote his own story about detectives doing the same thing in a missing elephant case. And through the weird alchemy of human conversation it became a phrase to describe a big topic or question hanging over proceedings people are deliberately not addressing.

What about Draenei culture would lead to such an idiom? To them they’re not all that large and are fairly common beasts of burden. Nobody says ‘the horse in the room’. Perhaps you could do something interesting there and have the phrase mean ‘an untidy room’, IE; ‘This place is in such disarray they must let their pack animals live here’.

But I guarantee you I just put way more thought into that then Blizz will if it pops up. Which is kind of the problem. They’re hiring competent people but ones who are fundamentally incurious about language and culture.

Which is how you wind up with them trying to delegate matters like that to an algorithm.

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Going to be that guy and say there’s nothing wrong with not putting too much thought into things.

There’s a middle ground in thinking wow can be better and expecting Tolkien to write a mmo.

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I literally gave an example about WoW doing precisely what I ask of them a few years back, and now I’m apparently demanding it be written by academic authorities?

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Yes.

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Wanna know the academic rigor it took me to discover the root of the ‘elephant in the room’ idiom?

I read an article and like 1/2 of a relevant chapter of a book avaliable on Project Guttenberg.

If that’s too high of a research demand then WoW writers have the easiest job on Earth. They dont even have to be familar with the IP they’re writing for if SL’s any evidence.

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What you asked for is what I have been asking for but precisely because of this people like Baal think thats bad because it is justifying why there are other humans besides the white ones.

Like the Asian humans being from Panderia or Black humans are from stranglethorn.

Yeah dumbass because WoW used actual culture to paint every other race. Stormwindians don’t even really vibe with any actual culture. They’re more just Disneyworld animatronics with American broadcast voice accents. Which makes their Titan origins extremely fitting come to think.

You can’t retroactively make Azeroth have a human cultural diaspora on par with Earth without rewriting the entire god damn setting from square one.

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Humans came from malformed vyrkul babies dropped off on the edge of what would become Lordaeron. They have what we would interpret as different ethnicities because that’s just how the curse of flesh worked.

There is a race who developed different skin pigments, facial features and cultures based around the geographic area they settled in.

They’re called Trolls. They’re Azeroth’s equivalent to homosapiens. Humans are robots with cthulu skin cancer and they look like Earth humans because it’s duck mothering magic.

You’re asking for a different setting.

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Firstly Stormwind is now the home of pretty much every human kingdom save for Kultiras.
Secondly wow races despite being a combination of multiple different culture still have additional divisions within them. Like the Orcs having different clans who look different from each other. Night Elves having the high elves versus the regular citizens. In Kultiras you have different noble houses.
If Blizzard wanted to give an actual identity and depth to the humans in wow they could have. As they have done before.

You are advocating for the very same low effort implementation you were denouncing earlier.

What a ridiculous statement, we already have multiple human kingdoms, factions and other characteristics. Just re-use those even if you don’t want to add even more.

No I am asking when you are adding different style humans to give them the same amount of effort they did when they set up the Orcs.
And the game didn’t break doing that.

What Blizzard did with their “humans”, Amazon did with their elves or dwarves in LOTR, what Netflix did with their characters in the Witcher, what HBO did with the new GOT show.

Just take a token guy, put him or her right there with no preperation or care. Why is he there? Who know, why he looks different? who knows, don’t ask and etc and etc.
You want that diversity tool in action, this is it.

In every case its “we are going to tell this epic tale about this white culture race in this fantasy setting. And there were a couple ethnic people there too I guess… I mean we could definitely spend more time and money to give them something unique that explains why they are different, but why should we? Just share it”

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No. I’m advocating for humans to know their place.

They’re the baseline whitebread from which the more interesting ingredients should be laid upon. Instead though they’ve just made bread sandwiches for the Alliance and your insisting more mayonnaise might help the situation.

The Orcs serve a similar role for the Horde though in this analogy they’re more onion rolls or seeded rye. Something with genuine texture and flavor.

And even then they dont insist on dominating every single bite.

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Wrong, there are different kingdoms, noble houses, they occupy and live all over azeroth there is no reason for all this to be so low effort while the Orcs have multiple clans, flags and history they use for their stuff. Consistently.

First you argue for how bad this diversity space tool and then you advocate for its very effect on a medium.
I just can’t with you people. Apparently 1 + 1 = foot :man_facepalming:
Tokenism is bad! But I love tokenism! More please! Incredible.

Nobody cares about the Orc clans just like nobody cares about the human Kingdoms. They all got one of 7 different hats to wear in WC2 that were rendered irrelevant in WC3 and can scarcely even be considered a factor as of 2004’s release of WoW.

The Burning Blade is now just a fel terrorist organization accepting all races that stops being relevant once you leave the Barrens.

And the Warsong and Frostwolf Clan would be 100% interchangeable if not for their differing tabards and respective battlegrounds.

The humans have had considerable more work put into them since then. As at least Kul Tiras architecture is distinct.

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When will Kingdoms of Azeroth come out i wonder?

Yeah. It is indeed hard to have a conversation when you miss every single point expressed to invent an argument no one is making.

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You argue against tokenism and in the next breath you advocate for it.
Your only argument so far is “well humans already have so much attention in the story” which isn’t true either, its only Andiun and Jaina.

We barely know what’s happening with the humans. Most races really, except Night Elves since you know most of them died.