But that some may have blown things out of proportion doesn’t preclude it from being a situation that needs to be addressed. Nor does it change that the re-framing of the argument in order to dismiss it is a strawman.
Can you provide a reason why, if steady flying is available? Would you be reluctant to just lock both flying types behind pathfinder?
The crux of it is, if, in the past, it’s been acknowledged that sky riding can present enough of an issue for it to warrant accessibility options, and the effectiveness of said options are based on the individual, it would seem that Blizzard acknowledges that some people have issues with sky riding. Thus, static flying being locked behind PF could (and does) cause issues with some for basic leveling. While it doesn’t make it impossible, it does severely lengthen the amount of time it takes to complete the campaign in order to obtain some form of flying that at least some individuals need to primarily use to move about in the z-axis.
The advantages of static flying presented, as they compare to steady flying, would not (in my opinion) be enough to warrant restricting static flying. Being able to land more precisely or afk in the air while being significantly slower during the first campaign run isn’t some game-breaking or exploitative advantage, and I would expect most people to stick with sky riding. If there was actual concern, Blizzard could also have made static flying even slower until PF was completed, to deter all but the most desperate, or something similar.
But with a take-it-or-leave-it approach, it is arguably a callous and unfair stance against those that have actual difficulties with steady flying that aren’t remedied with existing accessibility options, however large or small that actual number may be, for no seemingly good reason. Or, at least, not one that Blizzard themselves has actually provided. At the very least, people deserve an explanation.
I don’t care if it’s a problem that needs to be addressed.
What I care about are people like Liolang calling others sociopaths all because they disagree with them on the subject matter. You cannot have a decent discussion on this topic if one person is screeching about how we’re all trolls and/or mentally unhinged individuals. That is blowing things out of proportion and making it out to be a bigger deal than it actually is lol
So your solution is to gimp people because you can’t do something? Using Lio’s analogy of being unable to walk, completely ignoring that a person who is in a wheelchair would have literally zero issues with sky riding, your solution here is cut everyone’s legs off in the name of equality. All the while making everyone else feel ableist and a troll? This whole topic has to be trolling.
Regular flight has always been locked behind some type of gate. Nothing has been removed, options have only been added. I’m a returning player, last retail I played was WotLK and the mechanic was confusing a total of 2 times. As we mentioned, if you can DH or Dracthyr glide, you can dragonflight. The whole topic is a troll.
You can just mute them if you want. Certainly you can continue to have a rational discussion after that, no?
Primarily, I’d say to just unlock both at the start.
That’s not how analogies work.
No, and this is deliberately presenting the argument as extreme to dismiss it… I’m saying – if we’re using the wheelchair analogy – that the current situation is that there is a shop that has both stairs and a ramp. The stairs are open for everyone, but the ramp is open only for members. In order to become a member you have to physically enter the store yourself.
I’m saying open up the ramp to everyone.
You’re saying that I want to cut everyone’s legs off.
Sounds a bit like “blowing things out of proportion”. Deliberately.
Appeal to tradition fallacy. Based on this, steady flying should never have been added because it was never present before.
“Because I don’t have a problem with it, I can’t possibly even fathom other people having a problem with it.”
Can’t tell if bad faith or truly this ignorant. (narrows eyes in suspicion)
EDIT: One thing I do have to say is that I truly appreciate the conversations that are happening. All of them, good faith or bad, troll or not. Because each and every post gives this thread and topic more visibility.
Having to deal with motion sickness from Skyriding I can assure you, I’m not blowing it out of proportion.
Blizzard recognizes that these are real problems and have worked on solutions giving us several options in the Accessibility menu. They help me, but did not solve the problem.
You know what does? Steady Flight.
It’s beyond me why people fight so hard against Steady Flight when its a real solution for those of us with issue with Skyriding.
That’s fair, the reason I brought up that analogy is because it was brought up earlier in the thread and also because it relates to mobility. I appreciate the ramp analogy, but disagree since the ramp would be the tools in the accessibility menu. As it is, all players have to unlock steady flight the same way. It’s locked behind the same gate for everyone. I’m terrible at higher level content because I hate this community, but I’m not going to ask blizzard for follower raids an M+ rewards. It’s a video game, you have to play the game to get access to some things.
Whole thing feels like an appeal to tradition with regular flight being the tradition and DF being something new some players just don’t want to learn or deal with. I’m sympathetic to the motion sickness angle, but I get motion sickness from playing the game on the ground and whipping my character around if you mouse move. Combine that with the bright lights and this whole game is a terror on the eyes. Singling out DF doesn’t make sense, unless you’re just concern trolling because you want a feature unlocked.
You can check this website for any alts of people on the forums. It doesn’t check Classic alts, but it will certainly identify people retail alt hopping.
As I’ve personally said, I don’t understand how you even remotely function in this game if skyriding is that big of a concern for you. Open world content is more difficult to engage with than skyriding is. The easiest rotation is harder than skyriding, as is doing that rotation and attempting to pay attention to mechanics.
Maybe my perspective is ignorant, but I just don’t see how skyriding introduces a new slew of issues for people that didn’t already exist in the game through other means.
again…son…YOU have NO say in this matter. lmao.
we will CONTINUE to barrage this forum with threads telling ion to remove the FEW HOURS of Pathfinder that remain…and steady flight is here to stay…son…YOU have no say in that matter either lmao
https://youtu.be/ciYoLxIXxak?t=2170
Ion H: “some folks, for accessibility reasons, personal preference reasons, maybe you just like being able to afk in mid air…dragonriding isn’t your favorite, we dont want to take anything away.”
10:42 PM 9/22/2024
blizzard clearly recognizes the issue…even if trolling sorts in here cannot…
LITERALLY has a ‘motion sickness’ setting there first thing lmao https://imgur.com/XVNtkJb
I agree, they are not. My comments are about what I’m dealing with, I can’t know how Skyriding affecta people with physical disabilities. They can very widely, I can’t see how we can dismiss all of them and I don’t.
