So here is the current rule set as I understand it.
No Auction house
No Trading with other players
No Mail
You can group
Now a scenario:
You are a priest and you and four other guildies decide to run Deadmines. You kill Cookie and ‘Cookies Stirring Rod’ drops as a Wand. When the loot dialog box pops up all your guildies hit ‘Pass’, and you press ‘Need’ and you get the wand. Is that still 'Self-Found"?
The second question is, "Without dungeons and raids is there enough loot droops and enough crafting to allow a player to get to sixty without grouping in a ‘Self-Found’ environment?
I ask these questions because there are many players, actually I would venture to say the majority of players, especially in hard core for fear of someone screwing up and killing them, who do not group; will not run a dungeon or a raid, EVEN IF THEY ARE IN A GUILD. In my own experience I was in a guild and almost no one ran dungeons and there were no raids.
Finally, how long would it take, if ever, to get to sixty for a Hard Core Self-Found player who does not group, to get to sixty?
I buy Auction house, but only items that do not effect my stats.
Correct I don’t trade with others, I merely give stuff away.
I mail things to myself (other character)
True, no groups. Never have never will.
As for your scenario, can’t answer that.
As for how long would it take to get to lev 60… I’ve never made even in the current version of wow.
Originally I use to play HC with only grey or white items until a weapon dropped which did not have any enchantment that would alter my stats. Say I’m a warrior and I find a weapon that has 10+ intelligence… Warrior doesn’t use intelligence thus I should be able to use the weapon without gaining anything other than if does have some good damage assigned to it… follow?
I mean getting a drop in a dungeon still counts as “self-found” as you helped to kill the mob that dropped the item. The whole point is everything you get you earned on that character.
As far as your other questions the fastest levelers in Classic (normal or hardcore) didn’t group either. It was mostly mages doing solo AoE farming.
I was using that as a hypothetical scenario. if I’m not mistaken one version of a warrior which I can’t recall which version… does not use intelligence. Equipping an item that had intel assigned to it, did not offer anything to my warriors stats.
My wife plays Diablo III. She loves it, and she loves playing when the new seasons come out. That being said, she is a solo player and enjoys playing like that.
In Diablo III there are leader boards. Some of the leader boards are for a Solo players with fastest Rift times, highest Rift so on and so forth. Now these were leader boards for solo players.
Diablo III also has Paragon points, these points can make your character extremely powerful. What would happen would be a character would run with a group and build thousands of these Paragon points and then take those points and run solo rifts. They would be listed on the leader boards as solo, but in reality their paragon points had been generated by grouping.
The player base for 13 years asked for a Solo Self Found distinction and to have their own leader boards. Blizzard finally gave that to them and all of the players who would dominate the leader boards with grouped paragon points are now gone.
I am not saying that grouping and then getting the loot from a formed group is not ‘Self Found’. In fact you could build guildie groups to outfit and entire character with BiS gear.
What I am suggesting is that the spirit of ‘Self Found’ for those players who do not group is different than those who will inevitably use groups as a ‘pseudo auction house’ and degrades the accomplishment of ‘Self Found’. In other words ‘Self Found’ is not really ‘Self-Found’ if using other players to help you gear up.
Well I mean then you are just asking for “Solo” Self Found and not just Self Found. Many others on these forums have asked for this as well just I disagree with the premise that allowing grouping doesn’t make it “self-found”
I get your argument about carrying people but they did at least already crush boosting in Hardcore by massively nerfing xp if the mob is grey to anyone in the group. Also 60’s can’t group with non-60’s.
The only issue you have left is that a twinked out character that is not self-found could carry a Self-Found character of equal level through dungeons trivializing them. Which the answer to that is just make Self-Found a separate server (which I’ve been advocating for as well) as unless you get stupidly lucky there isn’t really a way to twink a character in Self-Found and if everyone is playing by the same rules this is a non-issue.
Just wanted to add, that I left hardCore because I made it to hard for myself plus the connection is not as secure as I would hoped. Several times I was “booted” while other player around me remained in that area. Plus I was and still am under the impression that in order to achieve anything in HC one needs to be in a guild. Not my style. So at least I have something to look forward to when cataclysm returns.
One question comes to mind is would you or will you help another player who rushed in and is being attached by a large mob in the knowing that this is hard core and you’re risking your own life trying to save others even if you get to close some of the mobs may attach you. I found that I would avoid these areas and these types of players. The main objective here is NOT to rush through but of course I play different than most others.
Yes it’s still self found imo because nobody traded it to you. Currently you are able to block trading in options. I suspect that box will be checked and you won’t be able to reenable it.
So, say someone else rolled need, got the item and then decided it’d be better if the priest got it. They would be unable to trade it to you.
It helps them learn weapon skills more readily. In character tab, hover over intellect to see.
Just checked in WoTLK and Intel doesn’t offer my warrior anything… and I did check as you suggested but again, check your stats in the game if you have a warrior… Although it does increase by the number assigned tot he item… it doesn’t offer me any stat adjustment unless earlier version of the game.
This one I can answer in the affirmative. It has been done as IronMan; that means totally solo, not even a buff not from your class and no talents, with no dungeons, no professions apart from First Aid, and in grey or white gear only.