before the toxic trolls who like to argue against everything come in and the pallys that are not really pallys just ALTS that wanna come in here and keep ret pallys in a bad state come in. here is a perfect example of why rets DO NOT need a heal nerf. (prot pallys do lol) it is LITERALLY the only thing keeping us alive after our ONE TIME defensive cds are used (because they are all 3-5 mins long) in todays meta, Wog is perfectly balanced.
skilled geared mage vs skilled geared pally.
i dont mean any offense to anyone but you just need to learn how to play against a class. the heals are not broken, your just pressing the wrong abilities at the wrong time.
https://youtu.be/Agp7LMkTtoU
if WoG is nerfed then that pally would have instantly have died through combust. NO CLASS SHOULD KILL ANOTHER CLASS IF YOUR PRESSING YOUR DEF CDS/abilities ON TIME. wog is a defensive ability, its SUPPOPSED TO KEEP YOU ALIVE. most of you are mad because you just want to melt through pally even if we press our defs. you got got so used to pally being squishy, that when its actually viable and good, and now you have to ACTUALLY work for the kill you go cry instead of getting better.
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Wog nerf seems more than 20%…
they need to at least nerf all fire mage damage to the same amount they nerfed wog.
But mages got 6% nerf ? Joke
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I think that the 20% nerf has a bit of multiplicity to it considering that there is, most likely, not a single retribution paladin who isn’t running Healing Hands. Would like to see more info on it, though.
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So your evidence that ret needs WoG buffs is a video of a ret pally, not avoiding or reducing, but just straight up raw healing through the pre-nerf combust burst of one of the best fire mages in the game.
Okay then. That makes sense if you don’t think about it.
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The WoG nerf does seem higher than 20%. In wondering if this is a error or I’m just imagining it.
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im doing like 2k heals sometimes.
“not avoiding or reducing” WE DONT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES WALL, BUBBLE AGAINST ANY CASTER. they are 3-5 mins long as well. we also have NO mobility. wog is all we have left. while mages have 1-3 mins cds constantly
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Actually he played it right. You have to push in on the mage when combustion is down. You can’t wait around because his CDs and setup are much shorter CD then the rets. Without bubble at any moment the mage can simply DB sheep-> ring->burst and the ret is dead.
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Ok so when blizzard goes ahead and makes it so i don’t die to : rets, rogues, mages, and warriors through the defense ability i pop on time then they can go ahead and circle back to rets. If you think paladins need some special pass to not die instantly in every combust run you have lost your mind. Every class has this issue and not just with mages.
Mages are out of control, they shouldn’t make any class able to survive mages because you become unkillable to everyone else. Mages should be addressed. Their baseline burst CD is 300% better than warlocks burst CD that is a talent.
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The lack of proper punctuation and grammar makes it hard to take you seriously.
Ret isn’t allowed to be competitive according to these forums.
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This firemage vs ret duel isnt making anysense.
Both are disgusting in their own way
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Mages have too many CC abilities. I think it is fair if they allowed us to have Lay on Hands in a fight.
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Question bud. If you save your PvP trinket for stuns, how are you dying? I fought a void elf warlock and disc priest in 2s (1900mmr) and every single burst setup they completely kited my entire burst. Between night fae ports. Racial teleport. Gate. Portal. Fear. Death coil. Fear. Mind control (generally on every single freedom which is beyond troll because the DR from the last mind control just fell off by the time I freedom again). Spammable and highly obnoxious snare. How do you die to anything? I’m seriously wanting to know. You trinketing random stuff and dying in a HOJ that your healer isn’t dispelling? Tell me because I’m tired of being completely trolled by warlocks.
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OP posts a 1v1 with a mage saying this is why he needs WoG back and you are here telling me how good warlock and priest together are. Without priest dispelling how different are things? You don’t need WoG back you need a priest too. What is your partner doing while all this is going on or are you bringing up a 1v2 against a warlock and priest as your example?
As far as i can tell this post is about needing WoG back for 1v1 situations. I’m not sure why you are struggling with setups, watch any high level melee player and do what they do. Are you claiming warlocks don’t die to you so they must be god tier? Ask any pro that usually mains a warlock why they are playing boomkin instead.
Is your metric for rets being balanced their ability to 1v1 every class/spec in the game? Look how fast that rogue gets blasted in the video… and you want healing from 10% to 80%… instantly. Locks have 0 chance of dropping someone that fast so they get ports and all the other junk.
The OP says, “NO CLASS SHOULD KILL ANOTHER CLASS IF YOUR PRESSING YOUR DEF CDS/abilities ON TIME”. Ask any warlock how effective our def cd is without having a trinket to go with it. I agree, so make every class have the defensives you guys are claiming you need.
Hate to break it to both of you but the game hasn’t and won’t be balanced around 1v1. The warlocks healer is dispelling what?! My HOJ? Lmao. No good ret is going to waste HOJ on the dps which can instantly be dispelled. Even with cross cc the lock can just trinket because there’s nothing else worth using trinket on… Good warlocks can kite a ret all day without a healer. Just trinket for wings. Super hard… They are on the same exact CD. You brought up my healer? What would my healer do for me vs a UA warlock? Dispel? Lmao, nope. I’ve watched high rated rets also get completely wrecked by UA locks. The reason locks are rerolling moonkin has much more to do about rogue/mage and warrior/healer than ANY comp a ret runs (ret/rogue sounds like the best option to kill a warlock honestly).
I don’t believe anyone should be able to heal more than 50% regardless of CDs. I also feel ret need better defensive tools. SoV is a joke. Two min cd on an ability that pops nearly instantly on use? Joke.
That rogue has used all cool downs and has no cloak no evasion no vanish no dismantle. It should drop fast since it used all cool downs already on the warrior.
The same cannot be said for ret as it used no cds and sitting in a sap.
Any many rogues like to take pve trinkets for massive dps on openers and have lower vers. So it should not come as a surprise.
No, the rogue didn’t cloak or evasion you can see the cooldowns from the mage perspective. No trinket = dead to ret in a hoj. The mage could have tried to peel but the rogue died in a blink of an eye.
I would bet the ret would have bubbled for the kill. May have given the rogue enough time to cloak evasion though. IDK why you aren’t looking at the screen. That kind of damage from the mage and ret is just ridiculous. This whole “trinket or die” meta isn’t fun for anyone that can’t do that. Spam CC or 1 min CC just makes it a game of fishing for trinkets then "go"ing.
The trinket bonus doesn’t even apply to the damage reduction aspect of vers, only the damage and healing aspect. So…? Rets/mages can do that to literally anyone is the only reason it isn’t a surprise.