A New Mythic Plus Grouping System

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Yeah, the downside of an infinitely scaling system. The bell curve moves a little to the right every season.

102

Why? People will still treat them like crap, so they will stick with their guild and friends.

103

Doesn’t really happen. It’s just an excuse.

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Every M+ grouping suggestion: “Force other players to group with me.”

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105

I’d be in favor of them making at least +0 up to +3 have df queue with a set minimum ilvl. Anything above that premade. The main barrier to entry for M+ imo is certain classes not being as useful as others, therefore it becomes harder for the former to be able to experience them altogether.

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The general problem with M+ is that finding a group takes eons and pugging is a miserable experience.
The ideas you collected all over reddit change none of those.
People will leave the dungeon when they decide that the players are trash on first boss. They will take the deserter debuff and do something else for 30 minutes because that’s roughly the time they’d spend waiting for the abandon vote anyway.
There is no incentive in the world short of a giant shortcut to whatever gear or rating goal they’re pursuing that’d make healers and tanks want to waste their time in LFG M+.
And I don’t mean a 20% bonus. There’s nothing you can offer them because they can just go for a key they’re comfortable with at however high + they’re comfortable with, not your trash key. Or keep playing with their friends/static, like they do now.

Your suggestions are idiotic and you have 0 understanding of why M+ is the way it is.

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That’s only true in the highest .1% of key levels. Everything up until +15s at least are doable by every spec with zero issues providing the player controlling them knows how to play.

If the community isn’t inviting certain classes or specs because streamers and content creators said not to, that’s not Blizzard’s fault, that’s the communities’ fault. It’s not just a WoW issue, it’s been prevalent for a while across any PvP game. I played Dota2 for a very long time and ran into the same issues: the terrible players played what the pros played because in their eyes “if the pros are playing it, it must be the best”. That isn’t how it works. Unless you’re a pro, you’re not even playing the class to a high enough ability to where the combinations or small differences in output even start to matter.

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Nah, the main barrier to entry is lazy players, who see the first hurdle coming and just give up.

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109

But why would I, as a tank/healer player, queue m+ when I can quickly and easily form my own group that is better?

110

Nah M+ is perfect the way it is.

What it needs is:

  1. Rewards for people spamming keys, “honnor” level just for m+: Valor level. Get different rewards each lvl you reach.
  2. More time limited rewards past 3k RIO (elite transmogs, illusions, toys, w/e).

Bonus:
Remove -15 second affix or lower it / Add my resiliet 14 key a 2x 15 charges once i time it. I’m sick of doing 14s just so i can deplete a 15.

Or not, you do you, your game.

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First problem: this is a false premise.
This is a forum talking point devoid of reality. The “M+ toxicity” is quite literally just something that folks say online because it is catchy, not because it is true. What some folks do report on that is true is that the lowest common denominator have more toxic players because they are the players are stuck there and refuse to behave in better ways to learn and not be toxic.

But this is true for literally every single activity in the entire world, bar none.

Second problem: it isn’t hard to start a group nor to get into a group - but what is true is that there’s a lot of competition as there’s a lot of DPS players who want to do keys but not as many tanks and healers. This is simply because more people like to see numbers go up rather than to tank or heal.

This isn’t a problem, this is folks playing the game they way they want to play it.

There’s also a third problem with this thing you are saying here, since you seem to be implying that it is a problem rather than a feature.

Part of the gameplay of M+ is forming the group and planning it out to either a greater or lesser degree. This part is crucial as M+ is for organized play only (yes, pugging it is taking part in organized play but just with random people part of a pick-up-group). Meaning that you have to be able to determine what players, classes, and roles you want as well as how you want to plan things out.

You can’t do that, then it isn’t M+.
(And yes, folks opting for more or less standardized versions of said planning process is still part of the planning - the difference is that there’s a “silent default” that people opt for.)

So
 in short:

No.

112

Absolutely not.

It’s honestly pathetic how many people will suggest changes that will just make m+ key level go +1.

2 charges is good. One to learn key, other to time.

113

Glad you like the rest, however it wont make the key go +1, probably much higher. I love spending literal hours of doing keys with apes that die to random mechanics. Also deathskips that everyone likes, the concept of being punished and having to leave key after 4 wipes halfway through dungeon sucks. but cba going through that again we already spoke about it.

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I like everything about this. Even at my ilvl because I’m not a “Meta” class or spec it’s almost impossible to get invites to even a +2. Something like this would be very beneficial. But the toxic sweats wouldn’t agree of course :stuck_out_tongue:

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You not being meta won’t keep you from getting in a plus 2

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117

Can’t do this unless you also give some kind of debuff for underperformance

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118

My comment was in the context of being invited to groups to begin with. It’s pretty obvious that warriors, rogues, havoc dh, and ww monks are passed over far more than ranged dps, or other melee classes such as rpallys and enh shamans that have group utility such as off healing and buffs. The only exception I can think of is uhdks because they have the most efficient mt of any melee class, and are probably the best overall mt spec in the game.

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i am an M+ Pugger, mostly tanking and mostly that role because I hate to wait for groups and I like having a geared tank for PVE stuff.

although I play a fair amount, I don’t have a specific day/time that I can dedicate to running content, hence pugging.

I could see having an LFG system in addition to the current custom group system.

but I also feel that there are probably even more methods to get groups, such as discord groups.

i would very much like to see keys either not deplete or have at least one additional charge.

I am in favor of a leaver debuff, but also a disband option (with no key depletion)

30 minutes with a debuff is a very minor penalty. and it doesn’t technologically prevent you from queueing again. people will just know you ditched your last group.

120

Just reading through this
 I guess I am an abnormality because I will actually try to invite lower iLvl people (as long as the minimum is met) because I know it’s harder to get in. I’m fine trading reduction in dps, because what I care about is completing the key, not necessarily having a guranteed timed clear or speedy and easy run.

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Not really. It’s fine the way it is now.