A new Forsaken capital city

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I don’t think The Undercity is bad, strategically. It is a well built fortress and were it not for Jaina, the Alliance would’ve been repelled all together, as is its intended function of defeating 9 to 1 odds.

While it is ‘in the middle of nowhere’ (they controlled the territory and the blood elves’re up north for immediate relief), a key thing to note is that it is only a problem for supply lines, which the Forsaken do not depend upon as living creatures do. They do not eat, they do not sleep, you cannot drive them out by smoke or pestilence. They are ideally the perfect army for holding a location or laying siege to one, because the only way to reliably take a fortress is to starve out its occupants, for trying to take it by force is exceedingly deadly.

What Lordaeron needed, above all, was First Arcanist Thalyssra and Grand Magister Rommath to have a wizard fight with Jaina.

I don’t think the Forsaken should make any plan that the enemy will deal with them in good will, nor should the Horde. With everything that’s transpired, there is no way nobody is going to be happy with peace, save for maybe those that’re tired of fighting, or have seen enough to realize that to go back to war would be to invite all this unnecessary suffering a second time.

The Forsaken especially cannot make that gamble, for they don’t procreate. There is no coddling or second chances for them. Each death is one unit that is difficult to replace.

Stratholme is cursed to forever burn, I don’t think it’d be ideal for the Forsaken to try and move into it.

My money’s still on Andorhal, if Undercity proper has been blown to smithereens by the kinetic energy of those blight bombs going off.

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In a world like wow, it is not because all I would need to do is send out a force to attack from the north as the Alliance did then have the wild hammer fly from the south with an army of Shaman to cast earthquake & the whole city’s defenses are gone. Since there’s a whole city build under a ruin city that did not get rebuild to withstand earthquake the ruin city will simply cave into Undercity.

Andorhal would actually be a good strategic location but I think blizz should leave western plague land to the Argent Crusade; make it so they are a force that is fighting against the Scarlet Crusade that has taken over Lordaeron. If not then forsaken along with the support of the Argent Crusade fights the Scarlet from the forsaken capital of Andorhal.

As for Strath, it is simply stupid that the place is still burning. If blizzard doesn’t give it to the Forsaken then they should finally follow their with the story they set in place for it with the Cata revamp that the Argent Crusade takes it over as their city.

Either way, whether the forsaken gets Andorhal or Strath they should finally open up the place northwest of Strath; it can work as a leveling zone control by the forsaken.

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Fun fact:
During WC3 , so before Teldrassil, Nighthaven in Moonglade has been considered the NE capital (since Hyjal was a sacret place they just built cities around it not ontop).
I have never understood why devs in classic decided to build Teldrassil and have the NE capital being an neutral druid city.

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blizz did a lot of stuff that made no sense in vanilla, like why the forsaken join the Horde; logically the race that would join the Horde in vanilla for the horde to have a foothold in eastern kingdom would be the Blood Elves who were betrayed by the Alliance of Lordaeron(so in their eyes all Alliance) would simply turn to the enemy of their enemy for help.

Back on Moonglade, maybe they can finally make that place a big zone & turn it into the city zone of the Night Elves like the other city zones. But strategically Hyjal will help the Night Elves dominate all of northern Kalimdor; with higher grounds to build their defenses that can have a very good view on Org, Azashara, & parts of Ashenvale to monitor Horde activities. & with trees throwing rocks, gravity really help with making their attacks stronger; while horde trying to shoot up will be harder & for air units they have to fly upward too.

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Hyjal has been THE fortress of NEs for millenia and during the war of teh ancients. Because of its natural defensive capabilities.
It suites NEs because … be honest it doesn’t suite wood elves to build stone fortresses like ravenholdt. But using a natural mountain as a fortess is quite fitting.

So i completely agree. But Hyjal has never been a city where NEs lived in large numbers it has more been like Helms deep, a refuge for NEs in dire times.

(Which is why I also was extremely pissed that NEs sought refuge in SW instead of their damn fortress in the mountains.)

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Gimmee Andorhal

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Lets not forget that Exodar is just right there, why go all the way to SW when Exodar is so close; also it made no since that with a force that big & with how fast some of the Alliance forces were able to get there to help, why didn’t the Draenei send in their forces? Also lets not forget about their space ship, but blizzard so.

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With the shoe on the same foot, gryphons are likely the easiest target to bag, since they’re in the air without any cover and if the bird goes down, the rider goes with it. If the enemy is mobilized on foot, a conventional military response would suffice. Or, failing that, the deploying of the blight.

Also, to the Undercity’s credit, that is an impressive creation of masonry for what was once intended to be a sewer. It’s structurally sound.

That is, of course, until the blight bombs went off. It begs the question if anything still remains of it.

I actually wanted to touch on this in particular, since this was a point of contest in the Cataclysm.

During the quest in the Western Plaguelands, the Alliance begun moving in settlers to try and snatch up the land. This begun an entire conflict over it, which costed the Forsaken one of the greater Val’kyr to achieve victory. The Argent Crusade have a foothold in what was once a Scarlet stronghold and deliberately did not join the conflict. They depend on the good graces of both the Alliance and the Horde to have such a vast recruiting pool that they do.

Blizzard does touch on that, actually. Specifically in their comic, in that Mograine declares that it is no ordinary fire, because it wouldn’t had burned that long.

It’s a cursed place on defiled ground. A literal monument to Arthas’ sins, nothing is putting out that fire. The Argent Crusade’s grasp was tenuous over it, given the ranks of the dead that still roamed the street. There’s the added development of the Argent Crusade affirming to keep a closer eye on it in Legion, but that doesn’t really stop the Scourge from having a resurgence in the area whenever they need to act.

Much like the Lich King’s threat towards the Ebon Blade about blowing the whistle that he was still alive by mustering the full might of the Scourge to attack Light’s Hope Chapel.

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I know they mention that in the ashbringer comics, but that was before the combined power of the druids & the paladins leads to being about to cleanse the plague lands. Whats to stop their combined effort in stopping the fire, its simply mention as magic in nature.

birds can fly extremely close to water & not have to worry, shammy can create a mist ahead of the attack around the lake & the undeads will simply think its part of the lake south of UC. A lake that big, it would fog up in the morning anyways; so they wouldnt think much of it.

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Very true, a brand new capital city would be a major selling point for a new expansion.

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Well, it was for sure. When it was not ruins with no back up. But if it’s seiged again, like, how would the horde support Undercity? Yes, there is a question about why would anyone siege, but do you think that the forsaken are a kind of characters who would be like “well, let’s not think about it until it happens”, especially when something like that already happened?

IMO what Lordaeron needed is to win before the siege. Because then is where my concern is - I see it as a very hard to support place. Risky.

:+1:

Who did it though? I mean, it has plenty resources left from the scourge if it’ll be even possible to convert it into helpful goodies.

Ah, but that’s exactly what we’re going to deal with. Arthas. And what the scourge did. Which means that after the Shadowlands it would be needed to deal with the Plaguelands anyway.

gl hf

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I’ve always like the idea of Stratholme. Its thematic sure, but beyond that with Lich King now gone the Forsaken might actually have access to a source of continued population stability and growth with the Scourge. Getting back to basics, trying to figure out what minds can still be saved. Harvesting those they can’t for parts. Its a … gross, but pretty noble way to go forward.

As a result, having a Canon major port city like Stratholme would be really beneficial for the work needed in the North. That still missing zone of “Northern Lordaeron” could be turned into the Harbor, I believe part of it is supposed to be. Then turn the Scarlet Onslaught and/or Vengeance Landing into the Scourge rehab centers and we got a pretty cool system going.

All the while they can take the time to clean and rebuild Lordaeron proper, and maybe even re-purpose Scarlet Monastery too.

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I vote Naxx over Durotar. The Forsaken have earned it.

And the Dranei place over Goldshire.