A little confused about Covenants

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First off, I haven’t played the beta long enough for me to fully understand the Covenant I might want.

But all over the web, I’m already seeing folks upset or gravitating to 1 and ONLY 1 Covenant because of their abilities / end game potential.

Didn’t Blizz themselves say somewhere that they didn’t want to make it so folks would get denied from groups because of the Covenant they choose? (correct me if I’m wrong please)

e.g. Of something I’ve read:
Fire mage will ONLY be relevant if you choose Kyrian (I have no idea, I don’t play a mage myself)

Are you folks finding this to be true? If so, wut up Blizz?

Edit: I’m learning a lot more thanks to you guys. I appreciate the constructive input everyone! I’ll have to jump into the beta and level some more to grasp more of this stuff and form my own opinion on what Covenant I might want.

Thank You!

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I have no idea, but your avatar is adorable!

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Some of the covenants seem to just provide so much difference in power atm it’s hard to say, and it has some people worried.

I’m more worried about M+ requiring certain covenants for the dungeon bonuses whatever that looks like. But just riding the wave.

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Blizzard doesn’t really have control over player attitudes like this. Short of making these covenant abilities not dependent on which covenant you pick, there will be those who will make invite decisions based on what you’re running.

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Remember what Blizz said isn’t how things work most of the time.
Remember when they said they wanted ilvl to be meaningful.

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This is what I’m worried about as well. As someone who didn’t really get into a raid group until the end of BFA, M+ was all I had since it’s only 5 people.

I would HATE to see group / raid listings saying: LF FIRE MAGE - MUST BE KYRIAN!

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You know how people are regularly denied from your average +10 for not having the right essences? No?

You know how people are regularly denied from your average +10 for not having the right azerite traits? No?

It’s like that. The sky is not falling. Cancel the apocalypse.

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True, they don’t. But, they do make the game that shapes these attitudes. An AoE ability from 1 of the choices that the other 3 do not get kinda makes it go in that direction no matter what.

M+ / raid folks want anything that’s going to clear content faster. If blizz makes it so only 1 covenant can do that, that’s kinda on them, no?

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I actually do not. I didn’t realize this but thank you for enlightening me on the matter.

I know it might just all be puff because we aren’t IN Shadowlands and much of this is still speculation or they could swap something on the fly.

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Well 10s are not end game content. Now are we turning away players from 15s and mythic raids for those issues. Yes, yes we are

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I appreciate your compliment! Thank you! It’s hard to xmog something decent on Mechagnomes lol

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Blizzard also said they wanted this to be an RPG meaningful choice.

The “choice” doesn’t make sense from an RPG perspective, and it’s not meaningful because of the restrictions since it influences a lot of players to just pick whatever a website tells them to pick. It ends up being a hazing/punishing choice.

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They don’t get denied from groups because those aren’t visible.

Once that person is invited and inspected - they’ll get REMOVED from the group for those things.

The same will happen with covenants.

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make your own group, or don’t run toxic/elitist idiots.

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It’s not as simple as “You aren’t the right covenant so we aren’t going to bring you”

The bigger impact is if you choose the covenant with a terrible ability, your performance will suffer and you may be removed from the group, benched on your raid team, or not time that key.

These things won’t happen over a few percent difference, but currently many of them skewed much further than that or go beyond simple tuning because of how they function.

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They absolutely will be.

You may not have gotten to this part - but there are very powerful buffs/perks for having someone of a particular covenant in specific dungeons that are activated.

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I was being sarcastic; this doesn’t happen.

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I JUST read about the Venthyr ability “Door of Shadows” and instantly thought of M+ requiring you to have it because nutty ability to prob skip so much stuff to make time.

But I do 100% agree with you Mony. Having our own groups would solve this but not always. WoW is a game that you’ll HAVE to pug a bunch of stuff and if one ability is nuts in the end game of things, even the people who have applying to your own group might not wanna join because it’s not a “SKIP” group or what have you.

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Apologies friend. Tone and direction are very hard to infer on text :+1:

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What you’re saying is factually incorrect OP, specifically because of the specific covenant dungeon bonuses so depending on the content you run you don’t pick the cookie cutter build as one might be a bit stronger for your personal character but if you like mythic+ another covenant might be better due to the buffs you get.